by Beth Sarim 168 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
'Beth Sarim
When shown indisputable truths. Please explain the indisputable truth for a precise date for the Fall, is it 586 or 587 BCE ?
scholar JW'
This is why & how;
''Why that came about by the WTS is because they wanted to create their own history which supported their own doctrines and to further their literature proliferation agenda. ( ie 1914 )
That's why I call them apostate charlatans.''
Beth Sarim
You offer nothing sensible to this discussion but simply give in to insulting language and ridicule.
Good riddance.
scholar JW
Neither. Jehoiakim reigned for about 11 years from 628-618 BCE and this is the best one can hope for.
Wow you really show your true colors here...it doesn't matter to you what the Bible actually says but instead only what the WTS says.
The Bible says he reigned for 11 years, not '10 years' or 'about 11 years':
[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1268 - Jehoiakim’s bad rule of about 11 years (628-618 B.C.E.) was marked by injustices, oppression, and murder. (2Ch 36:5; Jer 22:17; 52:2)]
[2 Chronicles 36:5 Je·hoiʹa·kim+ was 25 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years
in Jerusalem. He continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah his God.]
[2 Kings 23: 36 Je·hoiʹa·kim+ was 25 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem.+]
Its critical evaluation of the WTS/JWS doctrines like this is the reason why many active JWS are leaving the organization.
Scholar doesn't realize it but he is actually is assisting in this feat by coming here to defend the core doctrines of the JWS such as 607.
.....and that's why I participate myself in these debates.
We should at least thank Scholar for participating.
The WTS organization has a history of poor bible scholarship, interpreting scriptures to suit their own appealing wants, desires and perhaps needs is not true honest scholarship.
johnamos
It would appear that you were trying to lay a trap for the said scholar but he has outsmarted you.
The Bible says he reigned for 11 years, not '10 years' or 'about 11 years':
[Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1 p. 1268 - Jehoiakim’s bad rule of about 11 years (628-618 B.C.E.) was marked by injustices, oppression, and murder. (2Ch 36:5; Jer 22:17; 52:2)]
[2 Chronicles 36:5 Je·hoiʹa·kim+ was 25 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem. He continued to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah his God.]
[2 Kings 23: 36 Je·hoiʹa·kim+ was 25 years old when he became king, and he reigned for 11 years in Jerusalem.+
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Well, it all comes down to that dreadful word Methodology for how is a Chronologist going to handle the regnal data formulae mentioned in the Bible. When in the case of Jehoiakim's' reign when it says he reigned for 11 years does that mean 11 full regnal years? What about the use of accession/non-accession dating methods that were used but how were these applied to any given regnal data.?
To illustrate the problem at hand consider the following:
There are six prominent Chronologists and historians of the OT; Hayes and Hooker, Thiele, Bright and Cogan, Tadmor. Now:
Hayes and Hooker for the reign of Jehoiakim- 608-598 BCE= 10 years
Thiele 609-598 BCE = 11 years
Bright 609-598 BCE -11 years
Cogan and Tadmor 608-598 BCE= 10 years
So, we have a big problem. best left to the celebrated WT scholars with their Methodology
scholar JW
Mr. Finkelstein
The WTS organization has a history of poor bible scholarship, interpreting scriptures to suit their own appealing wants, desires and perhaps needs is not true honest scholarship
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How come we are the only people in the world who know the precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem?
How come we have produced the 'Rolls Royce ' of all Bible translations ever made- The New World Translation?
scholar JW
How come we are the only people in the world who know the precise date for the Fall of Jerusalem?
Thats the problem they dont, they have inadvertently taken the overthrow annexation by Nebuchadnezzar over Judea/Jerusalem in time and converted that to the final deconstruction date of Jerusalem.
Historically this is false and there is a mountain of evidence to show that it is.
Cypress's decree to release the captive Israelites came down in 538, a year after he overthrew Babylon.
So if you take the start of the annexation at 605 BCE and take 538 off that established year you derive at 67 years of annexation.
So Daniel's dream (70 Years) was close but not at all accurate.
Mr. Finkelstein
Thats the problem they dont, they have inadvertently taken the overthrow annexation by Nebuchadnezzar over Judea/Jerusalem in time and converted that to the final deconstruction date of Jerusalem
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False. We do and that is 607 BCE. Your next comment is gibberish.
scholar JW
Mr. Finkelstein
Cypress's decree to release the captive Israelites came down in 538, a year after he overthrew Babylon.
So if you take the start of the annexation at 605 BCE and take 538 off that established year you derive at 67 years of annexation.
So Daniel's dream (70 Years) was close but not at all accurate
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Nonsense on both counts as 537 BCE was the date for the Return and the 70 years was a full number as clearly stated in the biblical record.
scholar JW
