I am glad to have found the true religion

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  • A Believer
    A Believer

    The term “cult” means different things to different people. However, consider two common perceptions regarding cults and why those perceptions don’t apply to us.

    • Some think of a cult as being a new or unorthodox religion.Jehovah’s Witnesses have not invented a new religion. On the contrary, we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians, whose example and teachings were recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) We believe that the Holy Scriptures should be the authority on what is orthodox in matters of worship.

    • Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”—Matthew 23:10.

    Far from being a dangerous cult, Jehovah’s Witnesses practice a religion that benefits its members and others in the community. For example, our ministry has helped many people to overcome harmful addictions, such as the abuse of drugs and alcohol. In addition, we conduct literacy classes around the world, helping thousands learn to read and write. And we are actively involved in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive impact on others, just as Jesus commanded his followers to do.—Matthew 5:13-16.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    Yesu the JW teach Jesus is our mediator


  • Steel

    Did you even read that? Explain to us what the Israel of god means?

  • Tahoe

    At a Glance
    Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be the only true Christians. However, their organization - the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society - denies and/or contradicts several of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith.

    Individuals who, while claiming to be Christians, reject one of more central (key) doctrines of the Christian faith are considered heretics. Groups which reject such doctrines while claiming to represent Christianity, are considered cults of Christianity.

    Thus, while Jehovah's Witnesses profess to be Christians, they are outside orthodox Christianity and are considered to be, theologically, a cult of Christianity.

    Sociologically, this religious movement has a number of cult-like characteristics and problems as well, including the high level of control exerted over its members' lives, its unbiblical approach to the practice of shunning, and its teachings regarding blood transfusions (which have resulted in many needless deaths).

    Jehovah's Witnesses

  • Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
    Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
    A believer: Yesu the JW teach Jesus is our mediator

    It does seems like it, indeed, at first sight. But you have to read closely.

    “The Mediator of a New Covenant”
    11, 12. How is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?
    11 Read 1 Timothy 2:5, 6. Jesus is the “one mediator between God and men.” He is “the mediator of a new covenant.” (Heb. 9:15; 12:24) However, Moses is also spoken of as a mediator—the mediator of the Law covenant. (Gal. 3:19) How, then, is Jesus’ role as Mediator unique?

    The mediator of a New covenant.

    Who is in the new covenant? If you search on JW.org for the new covenant, you see it is only the 144.000.

    To go further with the link you provided:

    13. What is involved in Jesus’ role as Mediator?
    13 What does Jesus’ role as Mediator involve? Well, Jehovah applies the value of Jesus’ blood to those being brought into the new covenant. In this way, Jehovah legally credits them with righteousness. (Rom. 3:24; Heb. 9:15) God can then take them into the new covenant with the prospect of their becoming heavenly king-priests! As their Mediator, Jesus assists them in maintaining a clean standing before God.—Heb. 2:16.

    Jesus assists them. To whom does their and them refer? To the heavenly king-priests in the preceding sentence. And who is going to be a heavenly king-priest? It is the 144.000. As their mediator, can consequently be rephrased as: As the mediator of the 144.000.

    What about those who are not in the new covenant, those who hope to live forever on earth, not in heaven? While not participants in the new covenant, these are beneficiaries of it.

    Those who are not in the new covenant. Well, if you are outside of this new covenant, if you not have the heavenly hope, Jesus is not your mediator. You are no participant

    Do you see? It is very important to examine this more thorougly than just quickly reading this text.

  • Sanchy

    Yesu the JW teach Jesus is our mediator

    JWs teach Jesus is only mediator for the 144k. So, according to Watchtower, he's NOT your mediator AB.

    "So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians."
    Watchtower 1979 Apr 1 p.31
    "Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" (1986) pp.10-11
  • wizzstick

    How about this one, can you using the bible show scripturally the bible condemn rape and slavery? Spoiler alert you cannot. They are not treated as moral issues. that is your bible there buddy, pretty sick for being the highest level of morality man has...



    Let's see what the WT says in the last couple of paragraphs:

    The End of Slavery

    As is the case with every Bible-related question, the issue of slavery must be considered in context. A careful examination of the Scriptures reveals that God deplores the mistreatment of humans.

    Such an examination also reveals that the kind of slavery practiced by God’s people in the Bible is not the cruel and abusive slavery that is envisioned by most people today. And the Bible shows that God will deliver us from all forms of slavery in due time. Then, all mankind will enjoy true freedom

    So let's take that one by one:

    the issue of slavery must be considered in context

    The WT bullet point in the article says:

    • The maximum time that any Israelite would have to serve as a slave was six years.

    Below is an example of context that the WT leaves out. If a person got married whilst he was a slave and had children, he could go free in the 7th year but his wife and children would remain slaves. If he wanted to stay with his family then he would be a slave.


    Hmmm...either split up the family or be in slavery forever. Why don't the WT highlight that?

    Exodus 21: 1-6

    1 These are the judicial decisions that you are to convey to them:

    2 “If you buy a Hebrew slave,+ he will serve as a slave for six years, but in the seventh year, he will be set free without paying anything.+ 3 If he came by himself, he will go out by himself. If he is the husband of a wife, then his wife must go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s, and he will go out by himself.+ 5 But if the slave should insist and say, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my sons; I do not want to be set free,’+ 6 his master must bring him before the true God. Then he will bring him up against the door or the doorpost, and his master will pierce his ear through with an awl, and he will be his slave for life.

    Not very nice is it?

    They also leave out the next bit of Exodus 21:7-11.

    Why do they? Maybe because if shows how a female:

    • Could be sold into slavery by her Dad
    • Wouldn't go free after 6 years
    • Could be made a concubine (clue - for sex)
    • Could be sold on
    • Could be given to the master's son as a wife
    • Could be taken by the master as another wife.

    7 “If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not go free the same way that a slave man does. 8 If her master is not pleased with her and he does not designate her as a concubine but causes her to be purchased by someone else,* he will not be entitled to sell her to foreigners, for he has betrayed her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he is to grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife for himself, the sustenance, the clothing, and the marriage due+ of the first wife are not to be diminished. 11 If he will not render these three things to her, then she is to go free without paying any money.

    This is absolutely misogynistic. The girl (that's what we're talking about here - probably about your age A Believer) has no say about being sold into slavery, being made a concubine, sold on, given to his son, taken by the master as a wife.

    This is wrong. We know that treating people like this is wrong. That's the context that is missing here.

    Let's take a look at another statement in that article:

    the kind of slavery practiced by God’s people in the Bible is not the cruel and abusive slavery that is envisioned by most people today

    Another passage they didn't mention.

    If you beat your slave and they die there and then, you get punished. But if you beat them and they die a few days later they are not to be avenged - why? Because the slave was brought with the owners money.

    Exodus 21:20

    20. “If a man strikes his slave man or his slave girl with a stick and that one dies by his hand, that one must be avenged.+ 21 However, if he survives for one or two days, he is not to be avenged, because he is someone bought with his owner’s money.

    This is utterley wrong for two reasons.

    1. God is allowing beatings. This is acceptable to him. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Why is it that we're more imperfect than ever yet know beating a fellow human is wrong. But back then God didn't say beating a fellow human was wrong.

    2. Beating someone and they subsequently die after a few days is ok...as they were bought with the owner's money.

    Lastly, here's a cheery reminder of how some slaves were acquired by Israel.

    By force.

    Deuteronomy 20:10-14

    10 “If you approach a city to fight against it, you should also announce to it terms of peace.+ 11 If it gives a peaceful answer to you and opens up to you, all the people found there will become yours for forced labor, and they will serve you.+ 12 But if it refuses to make peace with you and instead goes to war with you, you should besiege it, 13 and Jehovah your God will certainly give it into your hand, and you must strike down every male in it with the sword. 14 However, the women, the children, the livestock, and everything that is in the city, all its spoil, you may plunder for yourself,+ and you will eat the spoil of your enemies, which Jehovah your God has given to you.

    So they can give this city 2 options.

    Option 1:

    Open the doors and be our forced labour voluntarily.

    Option 2:

    Besiege the city. Kill all males and take the women, children and livestoock as plunder.

    So A Believer - still feel that the WT gives a balanced view of slavery with all the context?

  • alcyone

    Some think of a cult as being a dangerous religious sect with a human leader. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: “Your Leader is one, the Christ.”

    This is what the JWs claim. In reality they obey their human leaders. For example if you took Haemoglobin in 1980s you would be disfellowshipped. Now you are allowed to do it. What has changed? Bible is the same, Jesus is the same... the only thing different is the GB pronounced their fatwa and allowed you to take Hgb. Hence to take Hgb is no longer 'prohibited by the Bible'. You can think about organ transplant ban in 1970s in the same way.

    JWs obey their religious human leaders. If the GB says tomorrow you can take plasma transfusion too, all witness apologists will stop to argue the ban on blood plasma is 'biblical'.

  • baker


    Imagine no religion,...then well all be as one....

  • Steel

    Lets me give you the no nonsense readers digest version of what the wts really teaches.

    The wts is a belief that jesus died for anointed christians only which are solely represented by the governing body of the wts. Essentially the thelogy is jesus died to give us the faithful slave.

    The great news is though your works and obedience to these men and the organization they you can obtain your salvation. Jesus only came to give us the opportunity to become baptized jehovah witnesses.

    I really wish you had some idea of the idol worship and false gossip you are dabbling in.

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