by KGB 233 Replies latest members adult
Mary:
Actually you've come up with the perfect example.
There was just ONE gunman, and it WAS a magic, supernatural bullet. All the scientific and expert evidence came to that conclusion.
Telephones are easy meat, for ghosts, when they can zing a bullet all over the place at 200mph.
That'll teach JFK to p*ss off Davey Crockett!
DoubleEdge,
Yes, I think this is the episode you were referring to: http://www.randi.org/jr/03-23-2001.html
Of course, this is Randi's side of the story (and his language is colorful, to say the least), but he does make some valid points about the quality of Schwartz's research.
Is there a particular study of his that you found convincing?
rem
Mary,
Do you realize how small the focal point of your eyes are? You think you have a full view because your brain is tricking you into thinking you see everything clearly. Really, you are only seeing a very small area in good focus. Your brain is even making up the colors of things in your peripheral vision because you don't have enough color sensors outside this sensitive patch to reliably sense the colors.
The brain is an amazing thing - it literally makes up your world for you. It's an illusion, but most of the time it works quite well and gives you an accurate sense of reality. In certain situations, it can go really wrong and give you a completely incorrect interpretation! This has been proven time and time again.
So, no I do not accept that just because something is, as you claim, in 'full view' that it had their full attention while watching TV. Or were they staring at the phone in anticipation of its supernatural dive off of the table?
rem
the door to my office is in full view of where im sitting right now, but that doesnt mean if someone burst through the door id immediately know who it was without first looking up from my computer.
And that has what to do with this topic? They had a full view of where the phone was sitting. The doorway is about 6 feet wide so it's not like it's a regular sized doorway. And people can see things even though they may not be staring directly at them. I can see my hard drive clearly even though I'm not looking directly at it, so your argument is weak and totally lacking any sense.
So, no I do not accept that just because something is, as you claim, in 'full view' that it had their full attention while watching TV. Or were they staring at the phone in anticipation of its supernatural dive off of the table?
You don't accept anything that differs from your own opinion do you? Even if they were staring at the phone when it happened, you'd just accuse them of something else.
Mary and to everyone else,
You don't have to explain yourself to anyone. You will forever be explaining yourself down to every single detail. You will be explaining until either your fingers fall off, or you develop laryngitis. You might as well stand in front of a brick wall and walk through it. Because that's how far you're gonna get. Nobody can tell you about your own experience when they've never met you or weren't even there. They can't say what's what nor do they have the final say. It's pure speculation based on books and what others have said. That's it. Nothing more and nothing less.
sxybrwneyes ,
I too have had on many occasions, premonitions of things to come...very strange, and scary at times when it is something traumatic. I made a post earlier to this thread about one occasion of many. They usually would come in dreams, but other times I have been wide awake and could see what was going to happen. Some people would think me crazy, but my M-I-L is just like me and it happens to her also. I have never had an explanation except "it is the gift of a 6th sense". Be it what it may, I still have them.
I am goign to have to check out that site on Night Tremors, have never even heard of them (I MUST live under a rock ). But from what you discribed, not anything pleasant. Does that happen often to you? Just curious.
Garnet
And that has what to do with this topic? They had a full view of where the phone was sitting. The doorway is about 6 feet wide so it's not like it's a regular sized doorway. And people can see things even though they may not be staring directly at them. I can see my hard drive clearly even though I'm not looking directly at it, so your argument is weak and totally lacking any sense.
you keep repeating that they "had a full view" of the phone......so? like i said, i have a "full view" of my door....if someone ripped the door open and then hid behind the next office, what would i see when i looked up? a door opening, on its own! im not saying someone threw the phone, im merely reinforcing the point that you can have a "full view" of something without watching it close enough to see how and why it moved.
i would venture to say that youre sitting a little closer to your hard drive than the family was sitting to the phone, but i digress........
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nickey-
Nobody can tell you about your own experience when they've never met you or weren't even there.
true.......but part of the point rem was making is that it isnt even her own experience! its already third (at least) hand information by the time it hits this board.
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Garnet
Yes, it has happened a few times, and I did read that site on Night Terrors, but I still believe that what happened to me was from another source.
As far as the premonitions I have also had dreams that came true, and I have always had very strong intuitions about things, and my intuitions have always been right. Of course when I was still in org. I just kind of dismissed all of my experiences and never told anyone about them because I would have been told it was all demonic.
dubla,
I seriously haven't been reading all of that. So whatever it is with Mary, I have yet to read. That wasn't solely for rem. I've used the word "they" for a reason. Not every experience is third hand.
