Babies Who Are Not Dead From An Abortion (page 8)

minimus

White male patriarchy is a common phrase. Do you think Simon invented it?? I just read an article written by a black male who uses the expression constantly. Geeshhhh

OrphanCrow

minimus: Do you think Simon invented it??

Nope. I don't think Simon invented a redundant phrase. He isn't that original. Lots of people get that one wrong. The same way that lots of people get a lot of things wrong.

I love it when people ignore the complete polar shift in social ideologies between the parties that happened in the middle part of the last century. Particularly because the poster Simon was replying to specifically singled out "conservatives" and "liberals" - ideologies, not parties. Yet Simon, in his reply, ignores that and immediately tries to shift it to "Republican" and "Democrat" - meaningless designations without the context of ideologies. It's one of the most intellectually dishonest debate tactics you'll see conservatives use when they get uncomfortable with discussing past positions that conservative viewpoints espoused.

Yes, the South, for a very long time, voted Democrat, and Lincoln was a Republican. Is everyone just going to ignore that, when LBJ picked up the Civil Rights movement as a Democratic platform, that the Republicans swooped in to picked up disaffected bigots in the South? The Democratic party shifted far more socially liberal over the next couple decades, while the Republicans went the other direction, embraced the bigots who didn't like that the Democratic party had shifted underneath them - particularly on issues like giving blacks equal rights - and strengthened their base substantially.

Interestingly enough, religious objection to abortion wasn't quite a major thing until right around the same time - the late 60s and early 70s. Even evangelical views on it were varied and complex, until the so-called "Moral Majority" solidified and weaponized it as a wedge issue to drive voters to the polls.

Simon

I put "white male patriarchy" in quotes, because it's a quote / phrase that leftists use a lot but isn't really a thing anymore.

I love it when people ignore the complete polar shift in social ideologies between the parties that happened in the middle part of the last century. Particularly because the poster Simon was replying to specifically singled out "conservatives" and "liberals" - ideologies, not parties. Yet Simon, in his reply, ignores that and immediately tries to shift it to "Republican" and "Democrat" - meaningless designations without the context of ideologies. It's one of the most intellectually dishonest debate tactics you'll see conservatives use when they get uncomfortable with discussing past positions that conservative viewpoints espoused.

So you honestly think that the democrats are synonymous wth "the left' and republicans with "the right". What you're doing is waffling, trying to claim something but with no basis in the effort someone will be impressed and convinced.

Sorry, only an utter fool would fall for that. Try harder.

Yes, the South, for a very long time, voted Democrat, and Lincoln was a Republican. Is everyone just going to ignore that, when LBJ picked up the Civil Rights movement as a Democratic platform, that the Republicans swooped in to picked up disaffected bigots in the South? The Democratic party shifted far more socially liberal over the next couple decades, while the Republicans went the other direction, embraced the bigots who didn't like that the Democratic party had shifted underneath them - particularly on issues like giving blacks equal rights - and strengthened their base substantially.

Ah, the next bogus claim - the parties shifted! Except they didn't. The people on the left, the democrats, the ones behind the KKK and the ones who pushed Jim Crow stayed as democrats. While they push the notion that they are all for civil liberties, they only got on that message once the fight was over and all the water had been carried by the republicans. They then found a new method to enslave blacks and keep them shackled in the form of the welfare state, the prison system and easily-bought black leaders who gave away their block vote for democrat money.

Interestingly enough, religious objection to abortion wasn't quite a major thing until right around the same time - the late 60s and early 70s. Even evangelical views on it were varied and complex, until the so-called "Moral Majority" solidified and weaponized it as a wedge issue to drive voters to the polls.

Medical advances have made things less lear cut and it harder to dismiss and not confront certain issues. We can now see babies inside the womb, we know more about their development and viability of a baby born prematurely has increased with medical care.

Regardless of who advocates for the lives of babies or why, the fact is that it is the morally right thing to do and abortion, as it becomes "later", becomes more and more objectionable up to the point that it is clearly murder and that is what the current democrat presidential candidates are advocating. They are sick, sick, evil people and so is anyone who cheers at the idea of being able to kill babies.

Ironic really that the abortion-mill that is Planned Parenthood is an entirely leftist, democrat controlled group and they kill many, many black babies.

You can think that's a good thing if you want, I think there's something wrong with it.

LoveUniHateExams

Yes, the South, for a very long time, voted Democrat - this seems to be an understatement.

I heard that the Dems fought for the South in the American Civil War. True or false?

Fencing

I heard that the Dems fought for the South in the American Civil War. True or false?

Was I not clear on the political party alignment prior to the Civil Rights movement? It seemed like I was, when I stated that the South was Democratic for a long, long time? Technically, no political parties fought for the South, as the Confederacy didn't actually recognize any political parties at all, and the predominant view was that they were not worth it and were a corruption of Republican government (the system of government, not the political party). A lot of the Confederate Congress were formerly Southern Democrats, as that was the the status quo pre-Civil War.

The national party started to fracture with the lead-up to the Civil War. Southern Democrats were almost entirely pro-slavery, while Northern ones started to split with the South. In fact, at one point in 1860, Southern and Northern Dems actually nominated different candidates.

Here's a pretty detailed article on Southern Democrats as a bloc and their defense of slavery, through New Deal and Civil Rights, leading to the eventual shift of white, conservative voters to a solid Republican bloc in the South, with more liberal voters, along with almost all minorities, switching to a Democratic vote. With some old-timer white conservatives still clinging to the Democratic party name, nationally, into the 90s.

minimus

Just to keep perspective, remember this is about babies who do not die from the abortion.

OnTheWayOut

Only 1 percent of all abortions occur after 21 weeks of pregnancy, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights. Abortions during the final weeks are rarer still.

Doctors' and abortion-rights groups say it is extremely unusual for live infants to be born during attempted late-term abortions, which they say usually occur when the baby is extremely deformed or deemed unable to survive after birth. In such cases, families sometimes decide they want to induce labor so they can spend time with the infant before it dies.

Tobyjones262

The dems are handing the 2020 election to Trump. Their radical crap with open borders and socialism does not play.

wannabefree

Republicans vs Democrats

Conservative vs Liberal

Jehovah's Witness vs Worldly Person

How convenient that everyone can be categorized as one or the other.

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