Babies Who Are Not Dead From An Abortion

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  • WillYouDFme

    OnTheWayOut - you said it brother! 100%

    Nice thing about LIBERALS - is they trust people to make choices for themselves.
    You know the whole Freedom thing.

    I find Conservatives often want to make everyone else live by their rules. (sounds like being a JW to me)

  • minimus

    I think liberals expect everyone should think as they think. If you disagree with them, all hell can break loose. Antifa is a great example of liberalism being a mental disorder. They riot, commit violence and their supporters protect them —-

  • ThomasCovenant

    'Mental Disorder'? Or diseased maybe?

    Where have I heard that before?

    So many sweeping black and white statements on this thread it's enjoyable to watch.

  • redvip2000
    I first want to say that "Liberals" don't all nicely fit into a category of accepting and desiring abortion.

    Well yes, but even abortion itself can't be in a category. Saying that you are pro-abortion, doesn't tell me anything on whether you think taking a pill to interrupt a pregnancy a few days after you find you are pregnant is ok, versus killing a baby 1 week before the due date.

    Again that distinction is really important. You can be pro-abortion and be rational and ethical, or you can be pro-abortion and be immoral.

  • WillYouDFme

    No minius - Liberals expect everyone to respect the freedom individuals have to choose.

    They are the ones who don't expect everyone to live by someone else's standard.

    Conservatives are the ones who want to rule by bible law, they are the ones who want to impose their values on everyone else. Liberals want people to be free.

  • minimus

    Liberals insist upon making a cake for a gay couple . If a conservative person desires not to do it because of their personal beliefs, they take you to court. If someone wants to wear a MAGA hat they are thrown out of businesses. If someone conservative wants to have dinner with their family they are told to get out! Oh yeah , liberals want people to be free. What koolaid are you drinking? Btw, that post gets the March 1st “dumb award”.🤭

  • WillYouDFme

    Respectfully - Liberals also insisted on blacks being able to use the same water fountain that whites do. When you open a business in America you are not suposed to discriminate. That's the 14 amendment.

    And your example of the maga hat is as spurious as the Antifa reference. So 1 out of 100,000 business did that.
    That is the equivalent of saying that 1 Neo Nazi act of violence means all Conservatives are Nazi sympathisers.

    By the way:

    Conservatives wanted Slavery.

    Conservatives didnt want women to vote.

    Conservatives want prayers in school, and the bible and 10 commandments taught.

    Conservatives didnt want Blacks to have the vote.

    Conservatives didnt want equal rights or pay for women.

    Conservatives didnt want a 5 day work week.

    Conservatives don't want sex ed taught in school.

    Conservatives don't want Evolution taught in school.

    Conservatives generally feel Homosexuals are an abomination and want to restrict their rights.

    Other leanings that are fact:

    • On freedom of the press, Democrats thought it had been restricted, rather than expanded too far, by 32 percent to 11 percent (for liberals, 37-10), while Republicans thought the opposite by 42 percent to 9 percent (for conservatives, 35-11).
    • On the right to protest or criticize the government, Democrats thought it had been restricted, rather than expanded too far, by 31 percent to 7 percent (for liberals, 40-7), while Republicans thought the opposite by 41 percent to 6 percent (for conservatives, 33-16).
    • On the right to vote, Democrats thought it had been restricted, rather than expanded too far, by 44 percent to 5 percent (for liberals, 54-4), while Republicans thought the opposite by 25 percent to 6 percent (for conservatives, 20-10).
    • As recently as the 1980s, Christian Right activists defended racial segregation by claiming that restrictions on their ability to discriminate violated their First Amendment right to religious freedom.
    • Both Ron Paul and his son, Rand, oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act, because it outlaws private acts of discrimination. This is an "infringement of liberty", they argue. And they're right: just like laws against murder, it infringes the liberty of bullies. And that's precisely what justice is: the triumph of right over might.
  • LoveUniHateExams

    Conservatives wanted Slavery - hmm, not sure about this.

    The republicans fought against slavery; the democrats fought with the South to keep slavery.

    And the KKK people traditionally voted democrat.

    So, why do today's liberals attack republicans but not democrats?

  • WillYouDFme

    Love - a CONSERVATIVE republican (Lincoln).

    The both parties have changed values in the last 200 years a number of times.

    But Conservative v. Liberal is a better lens to view their ideologies.

    This is not in question, its history.

    A quick article on it is here -

    I am not sure what you mean by Attack? There were PLENTY of Liberals who were very vocal about Obama not being liberal enough. And there are plenty of democrats today who have issues with other democrats.

    In fact - history shows that the modern (since the late 60's) - the Democratic party is not a monolithic party as is the GOP. They have been described as trying to herd cats. There are many more factions in the Dem party than in the GOP.

  • Giordano

    As there are many more factions in a country like the USA. The liberals hold dear a number of key positions.

    Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and free markets.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

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