What did President Trump say about Sweden? (page 16)

Simon

I thought you were doing the Bob Dylan song "Gotta Serve Somebody" for a minute there BugBear:

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

chorus:

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes
Indeed you're gonna have to serve somebody
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody

You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage
You may be a business man or some high-degree thief
They may call you doctor or they may call you chief

[ chorus ]

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk
You may be the head of some big TV network
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
You may be living in another country under another name

[ chorus ]

You may be a construction worker working on a home
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome
You might own guns and you might even own tanks
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

[ chorus ]

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

[ chorus ]

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

[ chorus ]

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

[ chorus ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frWP2TzpayM

Bugbear

Yes I do like Dylan specially his lyrics... Don´t forget he was the nobel prize winners 2016...!!

Spoletta

I've read literally dozens of articles on the whole Swedish situation, and can say that according to which "expert" you want to believe, there is a huge problem, or it's not that bad.

So the immigration hasn't worked out as well as it might have. From some of the posts, you'd get the impression that there are mobs of Middle Eastern men roaming the streets, raping women right and left, that Sweden's coffers are almost empty from immigrant's freeloading. That jobs are being taken from Swedes (which seems odd, considering that the immigrants are supposedly not working).

Anyway, it obviously isn't working, so something will be done. What that is, is yet be figured out. But in the mean time we are in no danger of being overrun by immigrants, or enslaved by Sharia law.

What bothers me is the vitriol of the discussions. There are a lot of valid arguments against immigration in its present form. Demonizing the immigrants isn't constructive. I don't think I'm wrong in thinking many are using this whole issue to legitimize their xenophobia. (I'm not including any of you!)

The travel ban was a failure because it was poorly conceived, and rammed down peoples throats, with no thought to the immediate consequences. It was a visceral, feel good action, that created more problems than it solved.

I am not for open borders that indiscriminately let in anyone, but just can't accept that it's not our problem when it comes to fixing the root causes of the whole immigration fiasco.

I have no idea what to do about this, not a clue. But all these statistics are giving me a headache, because you can find a study to confirm any bias you have.

This whole forum is about helping people coming from an oppressive rigid society that destroys lives. I see real empathy and compassion every day from it's members. It's a microcosm of the world at large.

I condemn Islam as it's practiced in much of the world, but don't think its an insurmountable task to try and change it. I don't think the majority of immigrants come to this country to try and make it like their own. I see young articulate women in hijabs that are as American as any of us.

We're in an information age. The internet is slowly eroding the Organization by revealing it's lies and injustices, while offering support for those who want to change their lives.The Arab Spring wasn't just an attempt by Islamic Conservatives to remake the world into an Islamic State. I think many of the people just wanted to live their lives in a free society like those they see in other parts of the world.

Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps people in the Islamic States are really happy with the rules and regulations they live by. I'm sure there are many who are. But I suspect that there are many more who would change things if they could.

Bugbear

Spoletta

The problem in Sweden is not worse then those who you recognize in any other big city all over the world. My daughter, has been working as a medical doctor in Rinkeby for over 1 year. She admits that it is a drug problem there, but not worse then in NY, LAX, Paris, London or Berlin. The riots are only made by some 20-50 teenagers that right now is very unhappy with their poor situation. This is going on in any big city all over the world. As far as I know, in a population with only 10 K mil. there is only 30 people killed in all of the big cities in Sweden, by guns. That is far below the average numbers... in almost every country in the world.

Spoletta

Bugbear. Thanks for your confirmation. For a group of people who decry the Organization's emphasis on how bad the world is, some of the comments here sound like the blather you hear every meeting at the Kingdom Hall.

So, are the Witnesses right? Is the world getting worse every day? Is there nothing to be done till God's Kingdom comes?

If you want to believe Trump and the Witnesses, go right ahead. I don't.

Ruby456

objective explanations for problems are far more productive than painting with a black or white brush and such explanations are also personally rewarding cos we realise our own place in the world at large and also that there are people outside of Jehovahs witnesses who share our hopes whether they are right or left wing.

cofty

Police in Sweden report there are 53 no-go areas in the capital which they consider too dangerous to patrol.

Non-Jews in Malmo are offering to escort their Jewish neighbors in public areas because it has become too dangerous for them to go about their business because of attacks and abuse by muslim immigrants.

bohm

Cofty:

Police in Sweden report there are 53 no-go areas in the capital which they consider too dangerous to patrol.
Non-Jews in Malmo are offering to escort their Jewish neighbors in public areas because it has become too dangerous for them to go about their business because of attacks and abuse by muslim immigrants.

do you have a source? According to the swedish police those zones are not no go zones but rather zones of special attention.

http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6630452

Sounds like a Pat Condell fact...

LoveUniHateExams

So the police chief of Botkyrka, Erik Akerlund, says that there are no no-go zones in his district.

Rather, he describes them as 'go-go zones' - areas where he and his officers work. On the face of it, this sounds lovely - Swedish police cheerfully going to work in certain areas.

However ...

From Sverigesradio: fifty vulnerable areas which needed more attention from the police - hmmm.

Is that PC-speak for "areas that are crime-ridden"?

Let's find out ...

From Sverigesradio: the underlying descriptions of the vulnerable areas as places where the police and rescue services have been attacked by the residents ... and where there even are cases of parallel structures that in parts replaces society's legal structures - those are all familiar problems to Erik Akerlund.

He answers in the affirmative and adds that that's why the police have to enforce and be here in both numbers and in good activities.

Perhaps 'no-go zones' isn't the best term to use. But calling these areas 'go-go areas' or 'areas of special interest' ain't fooling me.

I found the parallel structures remark particularly interesting. This suggests that certain communities are playing by their own rules - rules they should have left behind when they arrived in Sweden.

Sweden has very serious problems with immigration and multiculturalism. I hope this beautiful country sorts these problems out.

Bugbear

Cofty….

I am sorry to say that your sources of information belong to the same category as your president calls fake news. Fake news is made up by journalists that don´t take their jobs seriously. Their only interest is to make “headlines” become famous and sell their fake news to whoever wants to pay for them. No matter the consequence of their publishing, they keep publishing stories of 53 no-goes areas….. No swede has ever heard of these areas…. No swede, not even police officers are afraid of entering the center of Rinkeby. The story that came up a few days ago, when the police in Rinkeby got a tip about a famous (in Rinkeby) rapper that had a few grams of drugs in his pocket. The supporter of this rapper didn´t like the 2 police officers to arrest the man, and started to throw stones on them. They called for support, and 20 minutes later a smaller squad of 12 or 15 policemen arrived, that where properly equipped for stone casting teenagers. One officer shot one bullet in the air and the teens in anger burned one or two cars…. Do you call this terrorism?

Pls. do not believe everything that you hear from specially Fox news. For example the famous Nils Bildt, who has according to Fox new worked very close to the Swedish gov. He does not even exist. Probably they meant Carl Bildt who 20 years ago was the prime minister of Sweden. Carl made a comment on Trumps outburst “look at what happened yesterday in Sweden,, in Sweden…. Carl,s comments, was simply what has he (Trump) smoked???

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