Whats the best internet music file sharing thingy....?

by ScoobySnax 118 Replies latest jw friends

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  ballistic

  Yes, Hilary - I'll give you that. It is easy to steal from them. I do agree with some of what you say. I also know people in the music industry but can still accept some wider issues. The issue I have been talking about... the "rip off Britain" campain. And the wider issue about the freedom of information age, and computers have turned music into information. And another issue which is control by corporations, this is a highly imotive issue in the anarchy movement.

  Yes, you've got me - it's wrong by law. But I am simply trying to stress WHY people do it. And my main point is because they CAN do it and they CANNOT afford to buy it. Period.
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  amac

  I just typed a long reply only to have it blown away by an error!

  Anyway...HS, what are your thoughts on the sale of used CDs and records then?

  I often go back and forward on the ethics of file sharing. Personally, I use it as a means of listening to new music while I'm at work, or getting music I only have on vinyl. If I like the band, I will usually go buy their CD (sometimes new, sometimes used.) I realize that not everyone does this and some rely on just burning CDs rather than buying them. However, would these same people be going out to buy these CDs if file sharing wasn't around? I tend to think not, but I don't know that. So I think it is hard to say if artists are losing money over file sharing. Most "starving artists" aren't popular enough to have their files shared...and if they are, I would imagine it only means that people that would have never heard their music otherwise are being exposed to it. The type of consumer that makes the effort to discover rising bands usually makes the effort to support them through purchases. So when I download the newest songs from The Postal Service, I know that it is worth buying and head out to my local record store (or local internet site.) I've told some friends to download their stuff and they have done the same thing. If it wasn't for file sharing, I probably wouldn't have bought that CD for quite a while as there a number of other albums I wanted ahead of it (not everything's downloadable!) I was introduced to Will Oldham and Bonnie Prince Billy through file sharing...he can thank file sharing for yet another purchase. Again, it is my assumption that the type of people that use file sharing to pilfer artist's music would not have been making purchases anyway. I like that assumption and it makes me feel alright participating in file sharing so I will stick with it unless swayed otherwise.
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  hillary_step

  Six,

  A double standard I'll grant you, but I see it as much to common to be grotesque. Then again, some women think men are grotesque, lol.

  Forgive a poet his grotesque poetry...lol

  Spunky,

  *Off to burn in CD hell hehehehehehehe* I should change my screen name to BurningInHell4usingKazaa just for hillary_step

  You might try changing it to 'Idontunderstandmuchaboutanythingunlessitbangsmeonthenutwithahammerandeventhenitstouchandgo'...lol

  Hello Ballistic,

  Yes, you've got me - it's wrong by law. But I am simply trying to stress WHY people do it. And my main point is because they CAN do it and they CANNOT afford to buy it. Period.

  Of course you are right, but I feel that most do it because they feel that they are getting even with Record Companies. They are not. As I have mentioned there are plenty of panting bands waiting to sign on the line, while those whose careers falter due to exploitation by their listeners are swept by the wayside. The record companies will evolve and survive. They are hurting not the record companies, but the musicians in the long run. As to being able to afford to buy the music, well I am not convinced. Again I think this is an excuse as disposable cash is used for other arguably far less useful things in most of our lives.

  You make a strong point and I fully agree that what is not being attended to in this whole issue is the rapidly moving techonology which will deeply effect the industry. Some standards need to be set and quickly.

  HS
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  SpunkyChick

  You might try changing it to 'Idontunderstandmuchaboutanythingunlessitbangsmeonthenutwithahammerandeventhenitstouchandgo

  Or how about HillaryStepisonlymadbecausehercomputerdoesn'thaveenoughmemorytodownloadmusic
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  amac

  I think it would have to be HillaryStepisonlymadbecausehiscomputerdoesn'thaveenoughmemorytodownloadmusic

  But then again it doesn't require any certain amount of memory to download music, just hard drive space.
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  SpunkyChick

  HillaryStepisonlymadbecausehiscomputerdoesn'thaveenoughmemorytodownloadmusic

  His??? With a name like Hillary? Hey, whatever puts the mustard on his hotdog....
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  Makena1

  Interesting discussion!

  Growing up in the 60's with Jdub missionary parents that were in their 40's there was no way in hell they were going to allow any rock and roll in the house on the radio, let alone spending $ that we did not have on vinyl.

  My solution was to hook up my dad's SABA reel to reel to the stereo hit record while I did chores or homework. It was a great way for me to stay somewhat current with new music, and be exposed to a variety of music - FM stations were beginning to play longer "album" cuts, and played a wide range of music - BB King to the Doors, you know.

  Fast forward to today - I could and do spend a chunk of change each month purchasing CD's, then put together and burn "best of" CD's for the car, working out etc. However, I will admit that my son turned me on to Kazaalite - and (sorry Hillary) I have downloaded some oldies that are hard to find. I also have used Kazaa for research - just knowing a snippet of the group's name, part of a title - voila - you get the info you need.

  There was an interesting article I read awhile back regarding the sordid history of Napster, Morpheus, Kazaa etc. Off shore accounts - the island of Vautu?? sp? chasing down principles of the companies.

  In fairness to the hordes of struggling musicians (I was a wannabe) I think downloading is wrong. I also agree that big record companies executives (not all) = casa nostra and regularly chew up and spit people out.

  Bottom line, I would like to see more of this kind of promotion on the web that was posted a couple of days ago on this board:

  http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/carothers6

  You can listen to snippets of the artist's material and make an informed decision before you spend your hard earned money. As much as I liked some of the above artists songs - how can they get away with charging $16 for a CD from a relatively unknown artist?

  The listening stations at many music stores do something similar, but who has the time to spend hours standing on their tired feet sampling tracks?

  Clearly, the entire industry is in a state of flux and in my opinion, needs a http://rdmedicalonline.com/prodpage.cfm?Cat_Selected=11&SubCat_Selected=48&Product_Selected=DYND70102

  Mak

  OK - done rambling for the day.
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  figureheaduk

  Nothing beats the warm sound of vinyl. In fact, I've been buying the vinyl versions of my favourite albums, and finding that they often sound warmer than the CD versions. (Depeche Mode's "Violator" and Cocteau twins "Garlands" being great examples)

  Also if anyone has a vinyl copy of Nine Inch Nails' "Pretty Hate Machine", Skinny Puppy's "Remission", "Cuckoo" by Curve or "Pornography" by The Cure that they want to donate, you'll be my best freind forever....
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  hillary_step

  Makena,

  Thank you for your constructive thoughts. Yes, Craig is part of the growing self-promoters. Other musicians like Jesse Colin Young allows for snippet listening and then individual song download. But if you enter Jesse's name into a search engine, you will find him top of the listings which of course he pays for, then the list begins 'Jesse Colin Young - free music downloads'. This is a good example of direct injury being visited on a musician. The 'greedy record company' argument does not even get into this picture as Jesse is self promoting these days.

  Spunky,

  His??? With a name like Hillary? Hey, whatever puts the mustard on his hotdog....

  ....groan, not another keyboard comedian...the great unread with their cent worth...lol

  HS
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  ballistic

  Anyway, I must say goodnight to you, having finished listening to a few of those discount CDs I bought at Amazon, having sampled them on Kazaa! Just shows you - how many CDs you can buy when the price is cheap anough and the advertising is a steal!!!