The US didn't leave victorious. They left with the world laughing at their stupidity and incompetence.
Who said anything about victory? I gave a nuanced perspective that ultimately summarized with : “ If by defeat you mean the ruskies and americans failed to change the hearts and minds of the mohammedans, absolutely correct.” So…. ?
I then said:
But defeat on the battle field? Not even close.
I still dont see the word victory nor the concept expressed. And yes the world is cheering as my many comments on this topic have noted.
No one has ever "held" Afganistan and no one ever will.
It's all about the geography.
false. The Russians held it for 10 years, although it was hotly contested for the duration and the Americans held it for 20 years, for much of which there was no resistance whatsoever, our puppets rans the government and enforced the laws. We even opened schools for girls (to the shock and horror of the cabe dwellers) By definition that is “holding it”.
(NB you pushed the Japs back by nuking them. Now that is nothing to "crow" about).
In fact it is. Fat man and Little Boy were technological marvels that laid the foundation for the world of today. It could well be argued that Nukes are the only reason there have been no more world wars. But in point of fact that is not exclusively how we pushed them back. The battle of midway, the pivotal point in the war of the pacific, was all conventional arms and good old fashion boots to asses by some very heroic men.
I understand the desire to be reductionist but nuclear arms were the coffin nail not the hammer.