Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology

  Insight on the Scriptures, vol. 1, p. 205:

  The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh … Ashur-uballit was trying to reconquer [Harran] after having been driven out. This record is in harmony with the account relative to the activity of Pharaoh Nechoh recorded at 2 Kings 23:29, which activity resulted in the death of King Josiah of Judah (c. 629 B.C.E.). This text states that “Pharaoh Nechoh the king of Egypt came up to the king of Assyria by the river Euphrates”—evidently to help him. “The king of Assyria” to whom Nechoh came may well have been Ashur-uballit II. Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.

  Note that JW literature calls it 629BCE because of their broken chronology, but it actually identifies the specific event in 609BCE when Babylon completely conquered Assyria, exactly 70 years before Babylon was itself conquered.

  Now… when were those 7 years of Nebuchadnezzar’s alleged insanity? Remember, no ‘fuzziness’…
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  Beth Sarim

  WT theology is all "broken" theology.
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  Sanchy

  Scholar: Are you thick?

  I don't swing that way.

  Anyways, I have some exciting results from our little experiment: Found a buddy who actually read Dan 4, asked him if he gathered any indication that the prophecy within that chapter entailed two fulfillments. His answer was, as expected, "No"

  Sorry to say your assertion regarding Dan 4 was wrong, Scholar.

  
  
  
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  Nope, definitely no ‘obvious second fulfilment’. But perhaps ‘scholar’ can quote specific parts and show how it is so evident.

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  Just because it is not obvious to you does not mean it is not obvious to others. The 'obviousness' of a second or major fulfilment is proved by the dual lexical meanings of the Aramaic 'times' and the many specific texts in Daniel 4 that the said scholar presented to Sanchy in a previous post.

  Enjoy!!

  scholar JW
  
  
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  scholar

  Jeffro.

  So much for being a ‘scholar’. According to the mangling of Daniel by the Watch Tower Society, Nebuchadnezzar didn’t even know Daniel could interpret dreams until 606BCE, and the alleged fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 supposedly happened 12 months after the dream. Even if one supposes that the dream of chapter 4 was around the same time as the one in chapter 2, JW chronology wouldn’t allow the fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 to be any earlier than 605BCE (585BCE in actual chronology), but this was during the siege on Tyre and 3 years before additional Jews were taken into exile (Jeremiah 52:30). (Back in reality, both stories about Nebuchadnezzar’s dreams are fictional, and use tropes as analogies.)

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  What is the point of scholar doing better when you are convinced that Neb's dreams are fictional?

  scholar JW
  
  
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology

  Also ‘scholar’:

  I would suggest that the vacancy must have occurred SOON after 607 BCE which was Neb's 18th regnal year.
  

  ‘Fuzzy’, and wrong even in the context of JW chronology.

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  Chronology has no place for fuzziness and if present as in your Chronology along with COJ's GTR shows that the Methodology is flawed unlike that of the celebrated WT scholars which have posited a definite beginning and end for the 70 years.

  scholar JW
  
  
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  What is the point of scholar doing better when you are convinced that Neb's dreams are fictional?

  See how the apologist makes up trite excuses for not being able to provide specific details but demands specific details from others. Despite the fact that I even provided details of his own denomination’s position that showed him to be wrong.

  See also 1 Peter 3:15.
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  nsight on the Scriptures, vol. 1, p. 205:

  The Babylonian Chronicle B.M. (British Museum) 21901 recounts the fall of Nineveh … Ashur-uballit was trying to reconquer [Harran] after having been driven out. This record is in harmony with the account relative to the activity of Pharaoh Nechoh recorded at 2 Kings 23:29, which activity resulted in the death of King Josiah of Judah (c. 629 B.C.E.). This text states that “Pharaoh Nechoh the king of Egypt came up to the king of Assyria by the river Euphrates”—evidently to help him. “The king of Assyria” to whom Nechoh came may well have been Ashur-uballit II. Their campaign against Haran did not succeed. The Assyrian Empire had ended.

  Note that JW literature calls it 629BCE because of their broken chronology, but it actually identifies the specific event in 609BCE when Babylon completely conquered Assyria, exactly 70 years before Babylon was itself conquered.

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  Herein lies your problem for the fuzziness remains as the quoted paragraph and the following indicate that Nineveh fell in the 14th year of King Nabopolassar- 612 BCE/632 BCE but three years later in Nab's 17th- 609 BCE/629 BCE year the Assyrian King continued to press on regardless without success, thus you have a choice between 609 BCE or 612 BCE for the actual Fall of Assyria according to NB Chronology. The said scholar can see and feel the fuzziness!!! LOL!!

  The late COJ in his masterful deception published as GTR canvassed the idea that the events of 605 BCE were another alternative beginning for 70 years but this would shorten the period to 66 years which would another problem.

  scholar JW
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  See how the apologist makes up trite excuses for not being able to provide specific details but demands specific details from others. Despite the fact that I even provided details of his own denomination’s position that showed him to be wrong.

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  How can that be? When the said scholar has always provided details for that is what scholar does for he likes to help the little people..

  scholar JW
  
  
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  The said scholar can see and feel the fuzziness!!! LOL!!

  If only there were a way of determining which of the events was 70 years before 539BCE. 🤦‍♂️ I’ll give you a clue. It’s the one about which Insight definitively said “the Assyrian Empire had ended”.

  Now… when were those 7 years of Nebuchadnezzar’s alleged insanity? Remember, no ‘fuzziness’…