Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Diogenesister

  And some of the many Jews who remained in Babylon might also have helped with the preparations.

  I'm very ignorant about all this but weren't there Jews left behind in Jerusalem who could easily have began preparations particularly as they were working class and likely to be the kind to do most of the actual rebuilding / cleaning etc?.

  Jeffro Which means Tyre is still a definite failure. And so is Babylon since Hillah occupies the same land with only a small heritage protected area of ruins a few hundred meters across.

  Nice one!☺️
  
  
  
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  Jeffro

  Diogenesister:

  I'm very ignorant about all this but weren't there Jews left behind in Jerusalem who could easily have began preparations particularly as they were working class and likely to be the kind to do most of the actual rebuilding / cleaning etc?.

  I was referring to preparations for making the trip from Babylon to Jerusalem rather than preparation for rebuilding Jerusalem.

  But yes, as far as the actual rebuilding goes, although Jerusalem may have had few people or none, there were still some people in Judea after Jerusalem was destroyed, as confirmed by Stern, and their descendants may also have assisted with preparations for the rebuilding.
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  Jeffro

  You are in big trouble with Pierre 1977!!

  scholar JW
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  Jeffro

  It is particularly amusing that the JW apologist argues that the entirely plausible return of a contingent of Jews in 538 BCE is ‘impossible’ but the same standard isn’t applied elsewhere.

  The entire population of Egypt exiled to Babylon for 40 years? The sun remaining still so Joshua could murder more people? A global flood killing everything and requiring subsequent evolution at an unprecedented rate? ‘God can do anything.’ 🤦‍♂️ But 6 months to prepare for and make a trip from Babylon to Judea, purportedly with God’s blessing? ‘Impossible!’ Maybe there was an iron chariot in the way (Judges 1:19). 😂

  (Though not by any means a requirement, the Jews could have anticipated even earlier that they may be able to return, allowing even longer for preparations, since they may already have known of Cyrus’ reputation for religious tolerance. The claim that Cyrus made a special decree only for the Jews remains superstitious nonsense.)
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  t is particularly amusing that the JW apologist argues that the entirely plausible return of a contingent of Jews in 538 BCE is ‘impossible’ but the same standard isn’t applied elsewhere.

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  Only possible in your imagination for Ezra's detailed history of the event disproves 538 BCE and supports the more reasonable interpretation of 537 BCE for the Return as discussed in your favourite reference book Insight on the Scriptures.

  scholar JW

  
  

  
  
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  Jeffro

  Look how doggedly the apologist tries to defend his ‘fuzzy’ assignment of 537BCE! 😂
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  Fisherman

  According to orthodox Judaism, Jerusalem was destroyed circa 423 BCE or 3338 Jewish calendar (if I remember correctly.) But orthodox Jews believe that the Zion was empty for 70 years with the Jews exiled in Babylon. With Judaism there is more than one opinion for example there are 3 dates for the destruction of the second Temple: 68,69,70. Rashi and Rambam say 68 but 69 and 70 are also believed by others. However it is still interesting the Judaism believes in a 70 year exile and the land desolate like we JW.
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  Jeffro

  Such a liar! Though Orthodox (Hasidic) Judaism does differ from secular history, and they posit that Jehoiakim was exiled 70 years prior to Persia’s conquest of Babylon, they hold that the period from Jerusalem’s destruction until the Jews’ return was 52 years.

  https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/3915966/jewish/Timeline-of-Jewish-History.htm#q7
  

  3319 Jehoiakim exiled

  3327 Jehoiachin exiled

  3338 Jerusalem destroyed

  3389 Babylon conquered by Persia

  3390 Jews return

  (The Jewish Encyclopaedia on the other hand gives early 597BCE for the start of the exile, consistent with secular history.)
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  Look how doggedly the apologist tries to defend his ‘fuzzy’ assignment of 537BCE!

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  Nothing fuzzy about 537 BCE as it conforms to the regnal data of Cyrus' reign with his issuing the Decree in his 1st year followed by the history of the publishing of the Decree and the extensive journey preparations following with a length of the journey thus arriving back home and resettled by the 7 month in either Cyrus' 1st or 2nd year dependent on the calendar used by Ezra and the precise time when Cyrus uttered the Decree.in his 1st year.

  When you clear up the fuzziness of the beginning of the 70 years as to whether it occurred in 612, 609 or 605 BCE according to your advocacy of secular chronology then you can be credible.

  scholar JW
  
  
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  Jeffro

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