I'll step in just for a moment. Eric Michael Wilson's book has a heading "A Humble Sister Uncovers the Lie of 607 BCE, page 120 of "Shutting the Door to the Kingdom of God, How Watchtower Stole Salvation from Jehovah's Witnesses". Page 122 has the heading "The Record of Kings: The 20 Years that Never Existed".
Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday
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This book would contain nothing new but simply a rehash of COJ's masterful deception published as Gentile Times Reconsidered and in its latest edition with the added subtitle - Have Jehovah's Witnesses been wrong all along about 607 BCE? Eric Wilson has been a long-time devotee of COJ!
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Alethia
AwakenJw website has put together a timeline for Jurusalems destruction and related prophecies. As you can see there is no magical 20 year gap. Its literally impossible.
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1914 is bogus for so many reasons. Jesus told us told his disciples that he was already king in the 1st century.
Matthew 28:18 - Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Simple. No need for any complicated JW interpretations. End of discussion.
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WT scholars have a long-withstanding interest in biblical scholarship and that is why from the early beginnings of the Bible Students who advanced and promoted the subject of Bible Chronology
The Bible Students adopted earlier Millerite (Adventist) chronology. They've consistently been wrong, and they've never been at the forefront of anything.
and such a similar interest has now been enhanced with a more accurate view of this tablet - VAT 4956 with its description of Neb's 37 th year.
Hardly. They've just dug themselves a deeper hole by doubling down on 588BCE supposedly being Nebuchandezzar's 37th year (despite 588BCE actually being what JW chronology calls 608BCE). By claiming that VAT 4956 isn't consistent with 568 BCE, the Watch Tower Society can never fill the 20 years of its missing neo-Babylonian chronology without admitting its reinterpretation of VAT 4956 is complete rubbish.
The data in this tablet with its notable lunar eclipse of 15th July and in the third month Simanu means that the year began in May 588 BC so the evidence is there for the benefit of mainstream scholarship.
Simanu never begins in July (or any day after 27 June), just as Nisan never begins in May, so this automatically tells anyone with even a passing understanding of the subject that the Watch Tower Society's interpretation is obviously wrong. And the intercalary month in early 568BCE is exactly where VAT 4956 says it should be. No one in mainstream scholarship is interested in adopting the Watch Tower Society's nonsense. (And certainly not without knowing who the supposed 'researchers' were. 🙄)
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Alethia
AwakenJw website has put together a timeline for Jurusalems destruction and related prophecies. As you can see there is no magical 20 year gap. Its literally impossible.
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Not so. The focus of attention regarding a 'twenty-year gap' lies in the proper chronology and nature of Jeremiah's prophecy of 70 years marked primarily as a period of destruction or desolation of Judah in respect of its kingship, temple, capital, population and land. This prophecy also was a period of servitude to Babylon and a period of Exile in Babylon. The biblical facts prove that the 70 years could have only commenced with the Fall of Jerusalem during the reigns of Nebuchadnezzer of Babylon and Zedekiah of Judah in 607 BCE and ended with the Return of the Jews under Cyrus in 537 BCE ending the Exile.
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The Bible Students adopted earlier Millerite (Adventist) chronology. They've consistently been wrong, and they've never been at the forefront of anything.
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Not so.WT Bible Chronology arose from two sources namely Nelson Barbour and Christopher Bowen an Anglican Rector.
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Hardly. They've just dug themselves a deeper hole by doubling down on 588BCE supposedly being Nebuchandezzar's 37th year (despite 588BCE actually being what JW chronology calls 608BCE). By claiming that VAT 4596 isn't consistent with 568 BCE, the Watch Tower Society can never fill the 20 years of its missing neo-Babylonian chronology without admitting its reinterpretation of VAT 4956 is complete rubbish.
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Rubbish. The hole that has been dug is for those who support 586 or 587 BC for the Fall of Jerusalem now disproved by a more accurate representation of VAT 4956 which confirms 588 BC for Neb's 37th year. Thus such additional evidence along with the 70 years proves with a comparison with NB Chronology the missing 20 years and the calculated date of 607 BCE for the Fall of Jerusalem.
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Simanu never begins in July (or any day after 27 June), just as Nisan never begins in May, so this automatically tells anyone with even a passing understanding of the subject that the Watch Tower Society's interpretation is obviously wrong. No one in mainstream scholarship is interesting in adopting that nonsense. (And certainly not without knowing who the supposed 'researchers' were.
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However, VAT 4956 says differently as shown by WT scholarship made public so that the scholarly community can reap the benefit. Scholars are very interested as shown by some published criticism on this new understanding which the said scholar has to hand. You seem to be very troubled by those anonymous researchers but the said scholar is rejoicing in their anonymity.
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Jeffro
Not so.WT Bible Chronology arose from two sources namely Nelson Barbour and Christopher Bowen an Anglican Rector.
🤦♂️Barbour was an Adventist you doofus. (I suppose you'll try to irrelevantly 'argue' that he wasn't a Seventh-day Adventist, probably not understanding that Adventism is broader than just SDAs.)Rubbish. The hole that has been dug is for those who support 586 or 587 BC for the Fall of Jerusalem now disproved by a more accurate representation of VAT 4956 which confirms 588 BC for Neb's 37th year. Thus such additional evidence along with the 70 years proves with a comparison with NB Chronology the missing 20 years and the calculated date of 607 BCE for the Fall of Jerusalem.
Correct year is definitely 587BCE. Not 586BCE. And very obviously not 607BCE. I've already demonstrated that the Watch Tower Society's mangling of VAT 4956 is impossible.
However, VAT 4956 says differently as shown by WT scholarship made public so that the scholarly community can reap the benefit. Scholars are very interested as shown by some published criticism on this new understanding which the said scholar has to hand. You seem to be very troubled by those anonymous researchers but the said scholar is rejoicing in their anonymity.
VAT 4956 identifies a year that had an intercalary month prior to Nisan, and no intercalary month at the end of that year. 568BCE fits both criteria. 588BCE fails both. Not to mention the more specific observations of the stars and planets that definitely disprove the JW dogma, which is why they pretend the names for the planets are ambiguous.
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The said scholar has the following translations into English of the original article of VAT 4956 by Paul V Neugebauer and Ernst F Weidner in 1915.
- 1978 Avondale College, Cooranbong, NSW, Australia arranged by Neil Mc Fadzen a Regular Pioneer with Leonard Tolhurst-Librarian
- 1988 Herman Hunger
- 2011 Ann O'Maly
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Jeffro
Nice non sequitur. 🤷♂️
You're still wrong.