by slimboyfat 362 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Jeffro
t really can’t be stressed enough how outlandishly wrong that statement is. Literally millions of people live in the area that was known as Chaldea.
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How so for there is no such place as the land of Chaldea in terms of modern geography but today these areas are populated but the ancient cities are now lost in the sands of time and ancient civilizations such as Babylonia and Shinar all fulfilling the ancient Bible prophecies. Gotta luv the Bible.
scholar JW
Jeffro
Only in the addled mind of a JW apologist can a region be ‘desolate and uninhabited’ while having millions of people living there. 🤦♂️ Still waiting for Tyre to be completely destroyed and not even found too.
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That is a conundrum for you to solve but the said scholar is quite happy to see that the current circumstances of Iraq along with the current region of Tyre fulfil Bible prophecy. Praise the Lord!!
scholar JW
I invite the participants to focus on the following texts:
Da.4: 3, 17, 25, 26, 32, 34, 37
I looked over those texts. None of them directly mention anything about a second fulfillment.
Now the question to be asked for all of these texts that are well distributed throughout chapter 4
is, What is the common factor for all of these verses?
Nah, the question that should be asked is whether one can gather a second fulfillment from "simply reading the chapter", as you originally claimed, without manipulating the reader into arbitrarily focusing on singular verses cherry picked from your mental library of allegorical interpretations.
Pastor Russell was convinced that the second advent took place in October of 1874.
Then he added 3 and half years and came up with 1878 as the time that Jesus began ruling as king.
Since that time it has been emphatically manifest that the time had come in A.D. 1878 when kingly judgment should begin at the house of God. It is here that Rev. 14:14-20 applies, and our Lord is brought to view as the Reaper crowned. The year A.D. 1878, being the parallel of his assuming power and authority in the type, clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord – the time of his taking to himself his great power to reign, which in the prophecy is closely associated with the resurrection of his faithful, and the beginning of the trouble and wrath upon the nations. – The Time Is At Hand , 1902, page 239. view
Believe it or not, his date is accurate.
According to Revelation, 3 and a half times = 1260 days
Then 1 time = 360 days, the length of a prophetic year
2,520 360 day prophetic years = 2,484 solar years
Count 2,484 solar years from 607 BCE and you arrive at 1878 - the very year Russel determined that Jesus was enthroned.
The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses needs to take a look at this and repent. The overlapping generation works with this date as well.
This proves that Pastor Russell was right all along and that he alone is the Faithful Slave and is still guiding the Dawn from beyond the veil.
Three cheers for The Dawn Bible Students; the only ones who did not apostatize from the truth!
Sanchy
looked over those texts. None of them directly mention anything about a second fulfillment.
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Are you thick?
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Nah, the question that should be asked is whether one can gather a second fulfillment from "simply reading the chapter", as you originally claimed, without manipulating the reader into arbitrarily focusing on singular verses cherry picked from your mental library of allegorical interpretations.
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Put your thinking cap on and rethink and reread.
scholar JW
Nope, definitely no ‘obvious second fulfilment’. But perhaps ‘scholar’ can quote specific parts and show how it is so evident.
(See also The Watch Tower Society’s 2014 attempt to defend 1914.)
‘scholar’:
I would suggest that the vacancy must have occurred SOON after 607 BCE which was Neb's 18th regnal year.
🤦♂️ So much for being a ‘scholar’. According to the mangling of Daniel by the Watch Tower Society, Nebuchadnezzar didn’t even know Daniel could interpret dreams until 606BCE, and the alleged fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 supposedly happened 12 months after the dream. Even if one supposes that the dream of chapter 4 was around the same time as the one in chapter 2, JW chronology wouldn’t allow the fulfilment of the dream in chapter 4 to be any earlier than 605BCE (585BCE in actual chronology), but this was during the siege on Tyre and 3 years before additional Jews were taken into exile (Jeremiah 52:30). (Back in reality, both stories about Nebuchadnezzar’s dreams are fictional, and use tropes as analogies.)
Do better, ‘scholar’.
‘scholar’:
common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology
Also ‘scholar’:
I would suggest that the vacancy must have occurred SOON after 607 BCE which was Neb's 18th regnal year.‘Fuzzy’, and wrong even in the context of JW chronology.
