Do You Remember When JWs Relished Explaining Their Beliefs?

by minimus 141 Replies latest jw friends

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    I basically reset my beliefs with no bias when doing this research. Believe me when I say I didn't want to believe in a religon just for the sake of it if I knew it was wrong. Sanchy the Bible gives a number of who goes to heaven. It also tells what paradise on earth will be like. Do you think it will go unfulfilled?

    14 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps. 3 And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000, who have been bought from the earth.

    6 The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb,+And with the young goat the leopard will lie down,And the calf and the lion* and the fattened animal will all be together;*+And a little boy will lead them. 7 The cow and the bear will feed together,And their young will lie down together.The lion will eat straw like the bull.+ 8 The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake. 9 They will not cause any harm+Or any ruin in all my holy mountain,+Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of JehovahAs the waters cover the sea.+10 In that day the root of Jes╩╣se+ will stand up as a signal* for the peoples.+To him the nations will turn for guidance,*+And his resting-place will become glorious.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    Outlaw its not wrong that that Catholics and JW use the same name. We loathe no one because the bible says love everyone.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    Never a jw If you think the Bible has never predicted anything I encourage you to read this

    https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g200711/bible-fulfilled-prophecy/

  • Sanchy
    Sanchy

    Wait, A Believer, nowhere does it say that ONLY the 144k go to heaven.. and what happens to the Earth is besides the point I'm telling you to research.

    The question is: Where is the Great Crowd located. Read Rev 7 and 19:1 and then ask yourself if the WT is correct regarding this point or not.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    Sanchy I read chapter 7. It seems Jesus said before the tribulation let us seal the 144000. And then after he does that it says look a great crowd was with him. So I guess the great crowd is actually the 144000.

  • Sanchy
    Sanchy

    Perhaps A Believer, no one can say dogmatically the Great Crowd is this group or the other because the bible is not clear regarding that matter. I would argue tho that there is more evidence pointing to them being in heaven, "before the throne", rather than them being on Earth like WT teaches.

    Another WT doctrine I found to be inccorect: It teaches there are two types of resurrection. One spiritual for the 144k and the other much larger physical resurrection on Earth. What does the Bible really teach regarding this matter? I invite you to read 1 Cor 15th, the entire chapter, then you tell me how the Bible describes the resurrection.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    The JW teach the great crowd is the 144000. That many of the 14000 are already in heaven and that before the tribulation starts Jesus will gather the rest of them who aren't already in heaven to join in the fight of Armageddon.

  • A Believer
    A Believer

    I have never heard of a spiritual resurrection. If by that you mean the 144000 the bible does say they come from the Earth.

  • Sanchy
    Sanchy

    A Believer, now I believe you are indeed truthful when you claim you only recently took up researching JW doctrine.

    Reason I say this is that its basic WT doctrine that all JWs know. The JW teaching regarding the Great crowd is that they are those that associate with the WT (otherwise known as JWs) that survive Armageddon and live in paradise Earth (btw, the term "paradise earth" never appears in scripture anywhere).

    The fact that you automatically assumed the Great Crowd was indeed in heaven should point to you that it is an easy doctrine to reason from Scripture. Yet, the WT still teaches something contrary to this easy reasoning.

  • Sanchy
    Sanchy

    Regarding the resurrection, the bible nowhere speaks of a physical resurrection on Earth, as WT teaches. If you read 1 Cor 15 you'll find that the resurrection the bible teaches of is spiritual one, in other words, a resurrection to a spiritual body and thus to a heavenly location. This is in line with how Jesus described the Resurrection as well (Read Luke 20:36)

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