by WingCommander 324 Replies latest jw friends
Are the gun manufacturers illegally selling them? If so, shut them down. If not, my claim stands.
Assuming Glock or whoever is a legal and reputable company (right up there with Philip Morris) then there is a problem with the supply chain or the consumers.
Illegal gun owners don't get them from a different factory.
Mentally irresponsible is when someone kills and doesn't realize they have done wrong. Literally, they could sit next to the body wondering what all the fuss is.
All the legal attempts at claiming it usually fail because their client planned or ran or tried to cover things up. I.e. they KNEW they were doing wrong.
This guy knew. He wasn't mental. He was a fucktardigan.
You can be mentally ill and still be criminally responsible.
In a lot of countries, it depends on how much money you can pay and what friends you have. In the US, it depends on how much money you have to pay for your defense, if you belong to a religious group with political ties, if it is a high profile case, who the victim is, and other factors. It is not about whether it is a fact that you are mentally sick, it has to be shown that you do not know right from wrong or did not know right from wrong when committing the crime. A big issue I have been reading about in the news is how many crazy people are thrown in jail with everybody else.
Fisherman:
"I think that like never before, there are a lot of angry people in the US for a lot of different reasons...Maybe everybody is going crazy, but I see a lot of angry people wanting to get back."
I refer to it as Republican mass psychosis and it is a fire that the American right wing media has been stoking for decades. They are both psychotic and psychopathic in their lust for power.
An example is the murder of two policemen that took place in Nevada. Jerad and Amanda Miller had previously gone to the Cliven Bundy ranch to join in the standoff with law officials. Bundy was the rancher that wanted a free lunch for his cows and refused to pay grazing fees to the Bureau of Land Management.
Some time after that stand off the Millers went to a pizzeria they killed two policemen, draped their bodies with a Gadsden flag (The yellow American revolutionary flag with a rattlesnake and the words "Don't Tread on Me"), pinned a swastika on them and a note that read "The revolution has begun."
That is the deep, murderous hatred that Fox News and assorted conservative psychopath media have been inspiring for years and its effects won't be limited to random individual murders.
Illegal gun owners don't get them from a different factory.
You are assuming that all firearms can only come from "legal and reputable" companies".
In actual fact, it is not too difficult to make a firearm:
- all you need is a model-engineer's sized centre lathe (such as a Myford "Super 7", for example), some basic engineering materials, plus some rather basic metal working skills (such as I myself possessed by the time I was 12 months into my apprenticeship).
I have seen this done first hand. Eleven years ago, while working at a site in Papua New Guinea, we had to sack several employees in our mechanical workshop, after we caught them doing just that (at the same time confiscating and destroying their handiworks). And .... I can bloody well assure you that they were doing was illegal! Had those weapons ever made it into criminal hands, they at no time ever would have been "legal" firearms.
Furthermore, there are certain parts of the world where this is done quite openly. A notable example (but not a sole one) is the city of Peshawar, in Pakistan. In the bazaars of that city, gunsmiths will make you a perfectly functioning replica of just about any firearm you choose - from a Boer War style British issue long barrelled Lee-Enfield 0.303, to an AK47 Assault Rifle, and everything else in between. (More than a few such illegally made replica 0.303s have turned up in this country - with Peshawar being the most likely origin). The only time these weapons are ever going to become "legal" is if a licensed firearm owner takes an advantage of a "Firearms Amnesty" and gets the weapon legally registered. But they definitely never ever started out life as "legal" weapons.
So, leave the likes of Glock, Winchester, Remington, Stirling etc. out of it (At the same time, stop castigating all firearm owners, such as myself, too!).
These reputable manufacturers are by no means the only source of firearms.
Sorry, Simon, but your claim does not stand, after all!
Bill.
Village idiot
Do you believe the the rampage shooting we have seen over the last two decades amount to more deaths than all other non rampage shootings in America?
Just to add some points that really piss me off about some firearm owner:
1) Firearms are not "toys". If you refer to your firearm as a toy I want to crush your windpipe because it's assholes like you that hand an eight year old girl a submachine gun and expect her little muscles to control it, resulting in an instructor's death.
2) If you do not own a certified gun safe in which you keep your weapon locked up when not in use, you have no business owning a firearm.
3) How about you lose your fat beer gut, learn how to fight with your body ( I recommend Krav Maga) simce most of your issues with other human beings cannot be solved with your 12 inch barrel Colt Anaconda.
4) Stop associating firearms with machismo. Your balls couldn't give a rat's ass what a bruiser you are with arsenal. Besides there's nothing manly about shooting guns when thousands of armed rebelss in Africa are under the age of 12.
5) Firearms are tools. Treat them with respect and enploy them in their correct capacity.
6) While hunting don't shoot at movement until you have a clear visual of the animal. And wear blaze orange except when hunting turkey. Its scientific fact that deer, elk, antelope, carribou and moose cannot see blaze orange. I have never in all my life witnessed more reckless and hazardous hunters as one is likely to find in New York. Why i isn't state law here to wear blaze is mind-boggling.
7) do not consume alcohol while using firearms. Do that near me and I'll assume you are a threat to everyone's safety and I'll personally neutralize your threat with the butt of my rifle, and believe me I won't care about the legal consequences.
8) Stop associating religion with firearms. Bullets couldn't care which god you worship.
9) Because you own weapons and hand load your own ammo, it does not qualify as a combat expert, so stop prancimg aroumd at gun shows and NRA events kitted out like Croatian Rambos. You look sad, pathetic and I won't trust you near me with a weapon.
10) Hollow,point ammo seldom post-penetrates leaving an exit hole themsize of a melon. It's a myth. Hollow,points are designed to expand and dump all their energy within the body so if there is an exit wound it is not football sized.
11) stop associating yourself with anti-illegal alien hicks, all,it conveys is you would like to kill them all if you had your way.
12) Stop saying "proud" gun owner. There is no achievement in owning a firearm. Either you own one or you don't, you sound like a complete moron.
Keep these twelve points in mind and you'll at least not contribute to the "ignorant hick, inbred, overweight tubs of lard" image that's being painted by you.
Bungi Bill:
Now you are an example of a well informed firearms owner. Good on ya mate!
Krav magra (aka jew karate ((always sunny in Philadelphia reference)) is a good choice. The Israelis know a thing or two about conflict. It's a very efficient martial art.
And those 12 points were excellent. I think the folks outside the US and even in places in the US see (from media and tv) the gun nuts. That's not everyone here as SSC has demonstrated.
