by EndofMysteries 153 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Snare I agree with you. I wasn't trying to take the easy way... I've read several books, but I'm not great at this type of stuff. i just wanted to be sure I understood it correctly. I wondered if my example of a cold weather change like an ice age and then natural selection ensuring longer hair and more fat was sound.
Wasn't trying to annoy you.
Comatose - you explanation was spot on. We were saying the same thing.
The error that many make is to imagine that individuals adapt to their environment. They confuse natural selection with Lamarkianism - not to be confused with epigenetics.
Sweet. Thanks Cofty. Have a good weekend.
Black people are a mutation? The fact that the races that have more exposure to the sun are darker than those with less exposure has absolutely nothing to do with it?
If birds ate black people, in a million years any white people left that lived their lives over generations hundreds/thousands of year wearing no clothes in the African sun would turn into black people themselves. I don't think race color is a mutation but an adaptation to sun exposure over many generations.
But based on the mutation idea, 
Did that above insect just by chance one day get a mutation that happens to look like that leaf and they just happen to develop the idea to hide within leaves that just happen to look like them?
With chameleons and their ability to do a near perfect blending in based on the predator and how well they see and less blending in if the predator does not see as well, far too many loopholes for those to be just random mutations.
any white people left that lived their lives over generations hundreds/thousands of year wearing no clothes in the African sun would turn into black people themselves.
Total nonsense.
I don't think race color is a mutation
The precise genes that control skin colour is well known. White people are the mutants. The mutation that causes ginger people has been identified.
EOM - I actually know detailed answers to all of your objections in that last post. But i'm not telling you. Go read some books and be careful not to hurt yourself with the facepalms when you realise you were not even wrong.
Are you deliberately trying to pretend you don't understand evolution? I get it you don't believe it, but after so many discussions you cannot possibly say you don't understand this basic part of evolution.
In the above example, say you had a white insect that had a mutation that made it green instead. If the insect lived in an environment that had a lot of green leaves, that one change would give it an advantage, even without all the leaf like markings, so that insect would bemore likely to survive and thus the trait will be passed down.
Then, another mutation gives a mix green/light green, again that trait gives an advantage, it gets passed down, as it makes it look even more like a leaf.
Each change that makes it look more like a leaf helps it to survive and makes it more likely to survive. Repeat, repeat, repeat, voila, an insect that looks like a leaf. It is not one change, but many changes, each change that makes it look more like a leaf is an advantage and gets passed to the next generation. Insects have very short lives, so genetic change happens very quickly.
Did that above insect just by chance one day get a mutation that happens to look like that leaf and they just happen to develop the idea to hide within leaves that just happen to look like them?
I too am wondering if you're just being difficult, as I already thoroughly explained insects that look like leaves on page 1.
I will mention that skin color altered not just because of sun exposure, but (possibly more so) because of a change in diet:
Lalueza-Fox suggests that prehistoric hunter-gatherers got most of their vitamin D from eating lots of meat and that natural selection did not lead to the evolution of light skin until the advent of farming and diets based more on carbohydrates. Thus meat, fish, and eggs, which make up a much higher proportion of diets today than they did for early farmers, are a major source of vitamin D in modern populations, but early farmers would have been much more reliant on sunlight to help produce vitamin D in their skin. “It seems possible that latitude is not the key factor in skin depigmentation, but diet,” he says. -- How Farming Reshaped Our Genomes
Hey lets turn it around EOM...why did god create your leaf bug thingy with such a defense? Why, if God created all things, did he create all these animals with defnses to ward off predators? Dinosaurs were the same. Some were predatorial and some were not....right? This is why if God is real ge allowed for evolution to occur without him interfering....
im sorry i had to get that out and im sorry if i strayed off topic
EOM, you should actually read the posts in your own thread.
I might as well throw in some new thoughts and questions because you won't read this anyway.
If knees bent the other way, what would a chair look like?
Can God make a rock so big that even He cannot lift it?
Instead of coming up with the need to sacrifice Himself to Himself to forgive humans breaking His rules, couldn't God have just forgiven humans?
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Lol nice one OTWO. I havent thought of that
