One aspect of evolution that does not make sense.....

by EndofMysteries 153 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  EndofMysteries

  Those who turn around the questions with asking about God.....I didn't even say the alternative answer is God created it either. All I am seeing is that the things that have made God unbelieve to those who don't believe, have been replaced with essentially the same explanations in a scientific sense. "God can't possibly be eternal, having no beginning and no end" is replaced with "Matter cannot be created nor destroyed" So God being eternal is replaced with matter being eternal. Then there is God suddenly decided to create everything out of nothing is replaced with the big bang theory, some abundance of energy spontaneously creates everything out of nothing.

  If you want to think critically, why are you limiting yourselves to one of those 2 explanations? In regards to evolution on specifics like I just mentioned, if random evolution does not make sense, if God does not make sense to you, then why do you think it has to be one or anohter? Look at other untouched possibilities.

  The big bang obviously did not make sense to some scientists and they decided to look into other possibilies or the new 4th dimensional black hole theory would not have ever been thought up, which supposedly may soon replace the big bang theory as the most scientifically plausible theory.
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  Apognophos

  There's no such thing as "random evolution". Random evolution truly would not make sense. There is guided evolution (guided by increased survival rates when a mutation is beneficial), and there is random mutation, which gives evolution the material it needs to work with.

  Also, you just changed the subject from evolution to the origin of the universe, which is two steps removed from evolution. First you have to have an ordered universe, then you have to have life, then you get to evolution of said life.
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  LisaRose

  It's nice how you refuse to address the points others make, then change the subject and start throwing out random ideas that make no sense. You obviously don't even read these posts. I have considered all these things, evolution make sense and has been proven in a multitude of different ways, it is foolish to believe otherwise.

  Get a subscription to National Geographic, you might learn something.
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  Jon Preston

  Lol EOM im not limiting myself to anything. Why cant you answer my question? Look the leaf bug thingy majig is the way it is as we see it now right? Has it ALWAYS been so? Im not sure....are you? See i find wisdom in admitting that you do not have all of the answers. But why is it that many people find it in themselves to fill in the gaps when they dont know for sure. Hey! if God is real maybe he made them that way. Maybe animals were always made for certain functions, the circle of life right? Or hey! Maybe life evolved from dust or a sesspool and moon rock and stuff. My point is this. I accept whats fact vs what is an idea or a theory or speculation. And if slme fact conteadicts such antheory or speculation intake it accept it and move forward. There is NO fact in saying God created all things and especially all things in finished form. But we know if you drop a tennis ball and a bowling ball at the exact same time both will hit the ground at the same time.

  Faith is speculation laced with hope and thats cool. But to say atheists and agnostics and others are wrong is downright....strange
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  Jon Preston

  Im sorry too if i againhave strayed off topic..i dknt want to hijack
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  LisaRose

  No, you are not hijacking, this is exactly the issue. If you believe in the God of the bible you will reject the facts because it conflicts with that belief. That is the crux of the matter.
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  EndofMysteries

  I know the origin of the universe and evolution are two different things, but I know that those understandings and beliefs are shared and understood the same way by many.

  More back to the original question or idea I was trying to explain...... A chameleon for example, it's ability to camoflauge and look almost identical to where it's standing, and to get even more specific depending on the type of predator in the area, evolution absolutely does not make sense and explain that.

  The cameleons body itself can't know if predators are looking for it or that camoflauge will hide it.

  Even within cells itself and viruses, some viruses when they take over cells will camoflauge the cells they are taking over so the t cells won't notice them.

  Is not hiding a thought? Somebody is looking for me, I must try to hide and blend in?

  The peppered moth example stated earlier, I did some research, the moth did not suddenly evolve to a darker color, they were already around. The dark colored moths population grew due to it's ability to blend in better with darker trees. But it was already there to begin with.

  Let's focus on the cameleon example because that eliminates merely how they look since they can change their appearance instantly.
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  Jon Preston

  More back to the original question or idea I was trying to explain...... A chameleon for example, it's ability to camoflauge and look almost identical to where it's standing, and to get even more specific depending on the type of predator in the area, evolution absolutely does not make sense and explain that.

  Actually evolution explains pretty much all of that, does it not? Survival of the fittest? To the cellular level an organism will fight to survive Mate.

  For example....anpostal worker falls in a hole and the persons body is afdected and develops fibro myalgia....a flight or flight response is set in ace and reacts to certain stimuli...has the himan body always responded like this? Does EVERY hman respind this way? No.

  please clarify about what you hope to accomplish with you chamelion stuff because to me its a disguise which the chameliion adapted to safeguard itself which changed itself (evolved) to a genetc level to survive.
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  EndofMysteries

  jon preston - " to say atheists and agnostics and others are wrong is downright....strange". - many things in the science field are still 'theory' they can be wrong, they can't be proven.

  Years from now some of what is being taught or understood may be equivalent to several hundred years ago when most believed the Earth was flat.

  I'll demonstrate how it doesn't have to be just one or the other for possibilities.....let's say God and all life began from random chance and grew after somehow single cells developed are both wrong.....

  Some possibilities...... 1. We are in the middle of the chain of life and find out all of life on Earth was due to another intelligent life form, far advanced beyond us, learned how to create biological life. We are the result of what began as biological robots. It won't answer where they come from, but it's a step in learning what happened.

  2. God, whatever and whoever he is, could even be part of the above example, created all, but as the bible says and hints although most people have failed to see it, says that Earth and man were divided among the sons of God to rule them and YHWH inherited Israel. That would answer those who wonder why he would be jealous, or seemingly different attributes from who Jesus says are part of the Father, if they were two different entities.

  3. There was another world before that was mostly destroyed, this one came from the remnants of that, or those that fled it, or this world itself. Again it won't explain the origin but would still be a step closer.
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  EndofMysteries

  jon preston - okay, telling me that a chamelon developed the ability to blend in and change it's colors to hide from predators by just evolution seems as likely as telling me that lets say humans were being hunted by monster snakes and they kept thinking if they could fly, they could get away from them, so somehow a mutation eventually develops that allows humans to fly away, or that humans think if they were invisible they could hide, so at some point they develop the ability to go invisible.

  A chemelon having the ability to camoflauge and even chamoflauge more in detail depending on the specific predator is a lot different then a chemeleon developing legs to walk on the ground if it evolved from a water creature, from it's skin in response to the constant sun, or body changes because of the weather. All changes like I just mentioned evolve because of a constant response to direct feedback and interaction on it's body.

  Saying the the ability to camoflauge and look identical to what it's standing on is the exact same thing is not, that's comparing apples to oranges.