Board of bitterness (page 7)

1009

confusedandalone
1009, you sound like you are actually someone posing as no longer one of JW's when you are infact probably a high hour publisher who recently got involved in some form of wrongdoing that you are afraid to go to the brothers with. You think that coming here and challenging apostates and lashing disfellowshipped ones you are making an atonement for your sin that you are afraid to take before the brothers because of the damage it will cause your family...

I would like to react at this right now because I see that some of you doubt my sincerity.

I am 36 years old Dutchmen and was a 3th generation JW. My father left us when I was 6 and he got DF. Got baptized when I was 14 (1991), started pioneering at 18 (1995), I became MS at 20 (1997), and married another pioneer at 22 (1999). I lost my 'priviliges' after a number of years because of pornography. I regained them again, and we started 'serving' in the foreign langauge field. As MS I was invited to held talks in our and in other congrations in the country. I worked hard in the congregation and I also considered it a 'privilige' to assist our CO in a number of organizational matters.

During the years I always had contact with my DF father. The elders knew that, and never made a problem out of it. My mother became inactive a few years ago. I'm visiting this board for years because I always found interesting things. I also red parts of R. Franz' book. But those never raised any doubts in me.

I had marital problems, and prayed a lot. Years of praying. Finally I concluded that, despite the millions of promises in the Bible, God does not help in any way. That most of the Bible is illogical (I line with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOfjkl-3SNE). My faith was destroyed. I got myself a girlfriend, left my ex-wife over a year ago and got DF .

I started working fulltime for the first time in my life, moved to Colombia and married my loving girlfriend. Right now I do not believe in a God, nor in the Bible, nor in what JW teach. I feel free and happier as ever .

confusedandalone

Your sincerity is doubted because what you are saying sounds like the rambling of someone still locked into the JW mentality or someone who has no idea how destructive the WBTS can be to a person and thier family.

Who would not be an opponent of a corporation that swindles money and misleads many on a wild goose chase?

Unclear pedo-policy? Just blame abusers? What about the ones told by elders that it should be handled by congo... no need for court amongst brothers? (I have witnessed this) Or the pedo's that get reappointed? Or elders sending children in service with Pedos?

"I know more JW who died in car crashes than who died after refusing blood" - I am hoping something is getting lost in translation because for anyone to say this and mean it... I can't fathom. I know more babies who have died from malnutrition than those beaten to death... so whats the point of your statement.

" JW have their doctrines. What is the problem with that?" - Hitler has his beliefs and doctrines as well, what is the problem with that.

Looking at your spiritual background mine is similar almost to the exact ages of every event. I went to bethel when you becan pioneering - saw this sham of a religion destroy people under the guise that they were doing what god wanted them to do. Young people of 19 years of age. However I became an elder and saw this org for what it is. Maybe that is why you don't

Frazzled UBM

While 'touched a nerve' is the correct English translation I think in this case it would be 'applied a blow-torch to an open wound!' 1009 - I think the reason for the skepticism about your bona fides is your lack of a sense of betrayal that what you were taught your whole life was the Truth were lies and fabrications; the people you trusted as being inspired by God turned out to be a bunch of deceitful old mostly white guys; and that the friends you thought you had were fake friends. From my reading of this website (I was not a JW so have not experienced it but certainly understand it and see it as a very natural human response) that seems to be the natural reaction to learning TTATT and so your approach seems to suggest that you are not convinced of TTATT. In any case VENTING is one of the best, if not the best, things about this site. It makes living with my JW wife much more bearable.

Frazzled UBM

1009 - you seem to be suggesting that if it was a cancer it would be benign and not malignant but I have seen the damage it has done to my wife's family - one sister committed suicide after being put in an impossible position by heavy-handed idiot elders; her gay brotehr has had to deny who he is to his family; and her df'd sister is depressed and withdrawn - this is the damage those bastards in Bethel cause but you must have witnessed similar! If your view is that we need to rise above our anger and love all no matter their faults - that is admirably Christian and forgiving of you and I think applies to Witnesses generally but not the people at the top of the organization - they need to be held to account for the damage they have caused.

besty

I lost my 'priviliges' after a number of years because of pornography.

legend.

Frazzled UBM

I wondered how the organization found out about that - 1009 did you confess? If all elders came clean on that score I bet none of them would have any privileges.

magotan

We doubt your sincerity because it does not seem like you've really examined the WHY of the WTBTS. The doctrine, is directly responsible for so much heartache. I question if you're really "free" and really has examined what happened here.

confusedandalone

" If all elders came clean on that score I bet none of them would have any privileges."

I remember getting caught looking at a bigbooty porn site by my wife once... someone on fcebook had this random link and I clicked it. I saw it and clicked like 34 more - she didn't get mad - she laughed and said, "oooooooo i'm telling." She walked away laughing and I really thought that she would tell. So that night I asked her to let me tell the brothers about it and she laughed at me again.

Here I was married for 10 years and I really thought my wife would "tell on me" so I had to hurry and get ready to tell first so I seemed repentant. What a load of crap

****back to the topic****

ABibleStudent

1009 - I always was a critical JW, now DF and agnost.
But still this religion fascinates me. In my eyes most JW are very sincere, but dumb sheep.
This board is filled with ex-JW. I see a lot of bitterness. Opponents. 'Apostates'. JW are soooo wrong. You guys are sooooo right.

HI 1009, What do you find fascinating about the WTBTS? Why do you feel that JWs are dumb sheep?

Why do you feel that ex-JWs are bitter? Do you feel that ex-JWs are bitter towards R&F JWs, or the WTBTS and its leadership?

Is it possible that ex-JWs are angry that WTBTS leaders deceived them and that ex-JWs love JW family and friends but not the WTBTS? I know from personal experience that an elder tried to deceive me at the very least during a Bible Study that JWs can choose not to shun exJW family and friends if they want. I'm not angry nor bitter towards JWs, and I would celebrate if the WTBTS was no longer in existance in a couple of years.

Reading comments in this thread I feel that many members who posted in this thread are expressing their opinions about the WTBTS and its leadership with little bitterness because they didn't personally attack individual JWs by calling them names (i.e., dumb sheep). If the WTBTS uses BITE control techniques to indoctrinate JWs to blindly follow the WTBTS's doctrines, labeling JWs dumb sheep seems a little derogatory. Would you think of yourself of being dumb with a gun (i.e., "Shun Gun") pointed at your head if you did not make desired choices?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

1009

LisaRose
You didn't hear about [bullying or abuse] because anyone who complained was disfellowshipped, with no way to tell their side of the story. Sure there were nice people in the organization, and many good elders, but it is rotten at the top, to those men, nothing is as important as maintaining control and keeping the rank and file dependent, ignorant and afraid to question anything. I was like you, I left, but thought it was a good religion, just not for me. Since then my eyes have been opened. It took eight years before I felt comfortable going on a so called "apostate" website. I realized I was manipulated and lied to. Go to Howcultswork.com them come back and say the dubs don't fit the criteria. Believe me it was hard to accept that I was in a cult, that I had been that stupid, but it was true.

I've seen a few DF's. My parents got DF'ed before my birth and were reinstated later. My father has some complaints about that DF, because the elders were harsh with him. He never complained about his second (and current) DF. Other friends of me also came back as JW and didn't complain. I got DF and didn't see any bullying. So again: I think it involves a minority.

You say it is 'rotten at the top'. Do you know those men personally? I think they are sincerely trying to lead an organization according to their believes.

I've read the part on http://howcultswork.com/. Yes, most of the keypoints apply to JW. But I find the definition of 'cult' very fluid. The main point however is mind control. There is absolutely mind control among JW, but I doubt the JW-leaders are conscious they are practising it. And I wonder if that by definition is a bad thing. I see mind control all around me: on television, commercials, politics. Some are more sensitive of mind control than others. As I described before: I think most JW are just dumb followers. But when they are happy with that, who am I to judge them? Why should we 'help' them if they feel comfortable?

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