A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

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  • mrsjones5

    I liked what CBC said so much that I looked it up and found these additional gems:

    Valuable Intellectual Traits

    • Intellectual Humility: Having a consciousness of the limits of one's knowledge, including a sensitivity to circumstances in which one's native egocentrism is likely to function self-deceptively; sensitivity to bias, prejudice and limitations of one's viewpoint. Intellectual humility depends on recognizing that one should not claim more than one actually knows. It does not imply spinelessness or submissiveness. It implies the lack of intellectual pretentiousness, boastfulness, or conceit, combined with insight into the logical foundations, or lack of such foundations, of one's beliefs.

    • Intellectual Courage: Having a consciousness of the need to face and fairly address ideas, beliefs or viewpoints toward which we have strong negative emotions and to which we have not given a serious hearing. This courage is connected with the recognition that ideas considered dangerous or absurd are sometimes rationally justified (in whole or in part) and that conclusions and beliefs inculcated in us are sometimes false or misleading. To determine for ourselves which is which, we must not passively and uncritically "accept" what we have "learned." Intellectual courage comes into play here, because inevitably we will come to see some truth in some ideas considered dangerous and absurd, and distortion or falsity in some ideas strongly held in our social group. We need courage to be true to our own thinking in such circumstances. The penalties for non-conformity can be severe.

    • Intellectual Empathy: Having a consciousness of the need to imaginatively put oneself in the place of others in order to genuinely understand them, which requires the consciousness of our egocentric tendency to identify truth with our immediate perceptions of long-standing thought or belief. This trait correlates with the ability to reconstruct accurately the viewpoints and reasoning of others and to reason from premises, assumptions, and ideas other than our own. This trait also correlates with the willingness to remember occasions when we were wrong in the past despite an intense conviction that we were right, and with the ability to imagine our being similarly deceived in a case-at-hand.

    • Intellectual Integrity: Recognition of the need to be true to one's own thinking; to be consistent in the intellectual standards one applies; to hold one's self to the same rigorous standards of evidence and proof to which one holds one's antagonists; to practice what one advocates for others; and to honestly admit discrepancies and inconsistencies in one's own thought and action.

    • Intellectual Perseverance: Having a consciousness of the need to use intellectual insights and truths in spite of difficulties, obstacles, and frustrations; firm adherence to rational principles despite the irrational opposition of others; a sense of the need to struggle with confusion and unsettled questions over an extended period of time to achieve deeper understanding or insight.

    • Faith In Reason: Confidence that, in the long run, one's own higher interests and those of humankind at large will be best served by giving the freest play to reason, by encouraging people to come to their own conclusions by developing their own rational faculties; faith that, with proper encouragement and cultivation, people can learn to think for themselves, to form rational viewpoints, draw reasonable conclusions, think coherently and logically, persuade each other by reason and become reasonable persons, despite the deep-seated obstacles in the native character of the human mind and in society as we know it.

    • Fairmindedness: Having a consciousness of the need to treat all viewpoints alike, without reference to one's own feelings or vested interests, or the feelings or vested interests of one's friends, community or nation; implies adherence to intellectual standards without reference to one's own advantage or the advantage of one's group. http://www.criticalthinking.org/articles/valuable-intellectual-traits.cfm
  • SweetBabyCheezits

    That's one of my favorite sites on critical thinking, Jonesy.

    CJW, you're in denial. Don't be embarrassed - almost all of us went through it. But try to avoid your ego to going into self-protect mode and wreaking havoc on judgment.

    Even the WTBTS admits making bad predictions. Stop whitewashing that 1975 was promoted by your F&DS as the likely date for Armageddon. It happened just as other predictions PRIOR to 1975, they just got a little wiser on their verbiage for the 75 prediction.

    Concerned JW: That Jehovah's witnesses didn't set 1975 as the date for Armageddon.

    *** g93 3/22 3-4 Why So Many False Alarms? *** Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect.

    Swallow your pride - we all had to go through it. But you have to be honest with yourself and suppress your bias to see reality.

  • Vanderhoven7

    Re: Blunders

    Is there good evidence that the WTS bought stocks in a tobacco company?

  • Concerned JW
    Concerned JW

    I have pretty much covered this topic but sweetbabycheezits You clearly admit they haven't put 1975 as the actual date for Armageddon but now are saying they have learned not to say it? that doesn't make sense. It was either publically declared as the date for Armageddon or it wasn't. The one thing witnessess do is put everything in writing and this isn't in their publications as a date for Armageddon. Which is the accusation I believe from you?

  • mrsjones5

    Actually they touted 1975 as the end year CJW but you won't ever believe us...not even if you had the proof sitting in your own lap (its so easy to find...if you have access to hardback bound volumes and books from that era (60's-70's) you have all the proof you would need...it's all there).

    "There is none so blind as those who will not see..."



    You seem to be Stuck on Stupid..

    The WBT$ Promoted the year 1975..And..

    "ALLOWED" JW`s to "Verbally Advertise" that,as the Date for Armageddon..

    Nothing was done to Stop It..


    You have made this Claim..

    It was never an official teaching for Armageddon in fact many were cautioned not to get their hopes up.....CocernedJW

    Now Back it up..

    Show us One WBT$ Article pre-1975..

    That Warns JW`s "AGAINST" Promoting the Date 1975..

    Just One..

    .......................... ...OUTLAW

  • InterestedOne

    Concerned JW - In my last post I explained what I was asking in my original post. Can you please answer my question?

  • Mickey mouse
    Mickey mouse

    It's scary to see the mental tightrope a JW must walk in order to cling on to his/her beliefs.

    Any question which could potentially throw them off balance is dismissed without consideration.


  • SweetBabyCheezits

    Concerned, what I was saying is that the WTBTS dry-humped the shit out of 1975 without penetrating because they remembered when they popped 1925's cherry and got busted. Is that clear enough?

    No matter. Please tell me which "dates" the JW's are admitting to getting wrong in the following quotes:

    Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. *** g93 3/22 3-4 Why So Many False Alarms? ***

    It is easy for the established churches of Christendom and other people to criticize Jehovah’s Witnesses because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on certain dates.*** w84 12/1 18 Keep Ready! ***

    So returning to my original comments about consistency and the Awake comments about failed predictions, please pick one: either condemn or excuse them all equally, based on their history of accurate/inaccurate predictions.

  • sizemik

    CJW . . . it should be obvious by now . . . that this discussion is not about facts or proof or evidence . . . it's about perception and intellectual integrity . . .

    Have a listen to this . . . it's not religious . . . and not difficult to understand. Additionally, if you're correct, it will only serve to reinforce your position . . .


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