Don't really care about this issue one way or another
Just commenting on the paranoid excerpts that are common to those who obsess about such things.
Chemtrails, Seeing is believing.
by pedal power 482 Replies latest social current
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Qcmbr
I think media in the west is a lot more reliable in terms of general news since many reporters are freelance and go wherever the story is. You have serious papres and frivolous papers who between them will print any news they can find.
In terms of media lies I'm more worried by media laziness and tight deadlines and corrupt practices to get the news (see our current phone hacking scandal.)
Freedom of speech and a free press are our greatest weapons against tyrannical thought.
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pedal power
Nah botchy, Believe it or not, I am impartial, Its just that I have unwitingly been part of a state coverup, have studiied Media at Uni, and have firsthand experience of 2 major coverups, and unlike everyone here I can and will authenticate, yes I understand how the media functions,and that has made me skeptical.
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pedal power
I dont know you 2 guys, but my assumptions 20,s or 30,s you see critical thinking and analysis and history as being irrelevant, in that case We really are in the shit, I was hoping that the next generation would build upon what WE had achieved and built on it, ??? and YOU dont YOU just assume that there are certain freelancers in the West who can and will make up for all the poor investigative journalism, that currently pervades our society , F__k
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NomadSoul
Pedal Power, get you one of these:
We should all get one.
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ProdigalSon
And you need a pair of THESE....
How about addressing this already? I hate to be redundant, but it seems there is some kind of mental block going on here. Until you Coincidence Theorists address this you have ZERO credibility in this discussion. And particularly notice the last sentence.....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience
Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials
The Ministry of Defence turned large parts of the country into a giant laboratory to conduct a series of secret germ warfare tests on the public.
A government report just released provides for the first time a comprehensive official history of Britain's biological weapons trials between 1940 and 1979.
Many of these tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.
While details of some secret trials have emerged in recent years, the 60-page report reveals new information about more than 100 covert experiments.
The report reveals that military personnel were briefed to tell any 'inquisitive inquirer' the trials were part of research projects into weather and air pollution.
The tests, carried out by government scientists at Porton Down, were designed to help the MoD assess Britain's vulnerability if the Russians were to have released clouds of deadly germs over the country.
In most cases, the trials did not use biological weapons but alternatives which scientists believed would mimic germ warfare and which the MoD claimed were harmless. But families in certain areas of the country who have children with birth defects are demanding a public inquiry.
One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.
While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.
In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.
The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.
Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.
Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.
In recent years, the MoD has commissioned two scientists to review the safety of these tests. Both reported that there was no risk to public health, although one suggested the elderly or people suffering from breathing illnesses may have been seriously harmed if they inhaled sufficient quantities of micro-organisms.
However, some families in areas which bore the brunt of the secret tests are convinced the experiments have led to their children suffering birth defects, physical handicaps and learning difficulties.
David Orman, an army officer from Bournemouth, is demanding a public inquiry. His wife, Janette, was born in East Lulworth in Dorset, close to where many of the trials took place. She had a miscarriage, then gave birth to a son with cerebral palsy. Janette's three sisters, also born in the village while the tests were being carried out, have also given birth to children with unexplained problems, as have a number of their neighbours.
The local health authority has denied there is a cluster, but Orman believes otherwise. He said: 'I am convinced something terrible has happened. The village was a close-knit community and to have so many birth defects over such a short space of time has to be more than coincidence.'
Successive governments have tried to keep details of the germ warfare tests secret. While reports of a number of the trials have emerged over the years through the Public Records Office, this latest MoD document - which was released to Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker - gives the fullest official version of the biological warfare trials yet.
Baker said: 'I welcome the fact that the Government has finally released this information, but question why it has taken so long. It is unacceptable that the public were treated as guinea pigs without their knowledge, and I want to be sure that the Ministry of Defence's claims that these chemicals and bacteria used were safe is true.'
The MoD report traces the history of the UK's research into germ warfare since the Second World War when Porton Down produced five million cattle cakes filled with deadly anthrax spores which would have been dropped in Germany to kill their livestock. It also gives details of the infamous anthrax experiments on Gruinard on the Scottish coast which left the island so contaminated it could not be inhabited until the late 1980s.
The report also confirms the use of anthrax and other deadly germs on tests aboard ships in the Caribbean and off the Scottish coast during the 1950s. The document states: 'Tacit approval for simulant trials where the public might be exposed was strongly influenced by defence security considerations aimed obviously at restricting public knowledge. An important corollary to this was the need to avoid public alarm and disquiet about the vulnerability of the civil population to BW [biological warfare] attack.'
Sue Ellison, spokeswoman for Porton Down, said: 'Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.
'The results from these trials_ will save lives, should the country or our forces face an attack by chemical and biological weapons.'
Asked whether such tests are still being carried out, she said: 'It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.'
Yeah right, I guess we'll have to wait until 2034 for them to admit what they're doing now. That's the way they do things. Come clean a generation later and say "screw you, what're you gonna do about it now"....
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Qcmbr
I did kinda in my point 3
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shamus100
I can see that the freakoids are getting all pissy again. Yes, it does sound like someone is kinda obsessed.
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botchtowersociety
I can see that the freakoids are getting all pissy again. Yes, it does sound like someone is kinda obsessed.
They must have just had a chemtrail overflight.
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bohm
Holy cow, i am back at an awsome weekend and to my great surprice, my favorite PSON totally ignored what I wrote, crapfloated the thread and told me to read an unrelated post made by another poster.
FAIL.
Some qualitative obervations about PSON [TO PSON: this is where it gets less nice. So if you feel a hissy-fit coming your way, and you want to maintain your current "you should be banned for saying the people i copy-paste are morons"-censorship-happy attitude, wait with your respond untill tomorrow for you *courageous* argument for censorship, otherwise going ballistic and calling names will kind of undermine your case].
- PSON is a hypocrit because he try to build his case upon (plain wrong) technical arguments, but when the obvious errors are pointed out, he respond by redicule for what, taking my time to read the technical argument and respond? Thats two standards, and thats why i am going to call you a hypocrit as long as you have those two standards in place.
- PSON is interlectually lazy: PSON demonstrably post things on this thread he plainly do not understand himself. Essentially that means PSON has no way of understanding if the arguments are valid or not, and is simply relying on the authority of some moron with a PC, a poor knowledge of Pearsons corrolation coefficient and z-statistics. and holy cow, did you find an arrogant basement-dweller to quote!
Argument from authority? you betcha. The real golden nugget, the kernel of corn in the dogshit, is that WE get to hear how WE are denying the truth, while it is really PSON who does the best to be a good little serf who repeat a party-line he is to lazy to understand himself (... am i being unkind in calling you lazy? should this be "stupid" rather than lazy? i would not like to accuse you of something you are not, mind...).
If that aint a propaganda technique i am going to demand my money back from this site... - PSON offer no insensitive for an interlectual exchange. The party line for our little serf now apparently entails "You did not debunk everything in the details i would like, therefore you are wrong!!!! OMG I AM SO GOING TO SIT ON MY FLAT ASS IN THE COUCH THINKING HAPPY THOUGHTS UNTILL YOU GO AWAY!!!!!". Well no shit sherlock. I picked the most concrete thing you posted and tore it to schreds, thats 1 hour of eating intellectual junk-food and about what i can stomach. How about you respond for a change?
You can crapfloat this thread to a level higher than any of us care to swim in. You know what its called? "The gish gallop", because only a creotard like Gish engage in it as a way to have a debate.
While i am certainly not going to defend a total douche like Gish, I am going to note that even a retard like Gish understand such argument hold no water and only use it to impress the people who want to be convinced. Apparently you think the mode of argument is persuasive... oh dear...
So what about it, PSON. Are you going to respond to what other people write, or are you going to be the little kid at the backseat, crying for attention and responses, so you can ignore them and throw the occational fit and/or exclamate you have "won" the debate?
My argument stands:
Right. I will just take the last because its the most fun. PSON, Can you explain why he use n=68 in this line?
- Z = 68 1/2 * (.291) = 2.40
(but thats just nit-picking)
The most significant problem is that he regress a complicated measure from a (self-invented) model against real data. Which mean his results are only valid if the parameters in the model is obtained WITHOUT looking at the final result. Ofcourse we never know where he gets the parameter values from, nor where the model come from, so i fear the worst.
Secondly he should ofcourse have regressed the other observations (independently) against the final result without using the model, just to make sure there are no trivial corrolations in his dataset.
for those two reasons alone he would never pass peer review.
So what are your thoughts on that, PSON?
the above is an answer to your post 1597. I dont have time to review the other right now.
I can ask in another way. why does he use this model, and where does he get the parameter values from?
I = c * [(log(SS+1) / 2.5) 4 * (log(RH mean +1) / 2) 2 * ((deltaRH + deltaRH max ) / (2 * deltaRH max )) * cos(%CC * (pi / 200))] + 10
If anyone would like any points in the above elaborated, they are free to ask me. It seem his entire site is riddled with the same type of statistical error, and i sincerely doubt he understand his z-value, it sure aint saying anything about chemtrails.
holy cow i just read a random page.. arrogant and wrong in ways i didnt think possible. This man is a student at FAIL U.
