2nd video on 1919 Watchtower's Wacky Chronology

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  • alice.in.wonderland
    alice.in.wonderland

    Alice, even by "worldly" standards, you are sooooo far out to lunch with regard to child molestation issues, that you really need to shut up about it now.

    Your 2 premises:

    1. NO molestation has ever happened amongst JW's and all people who report it happening are liars.
    2. Any teenager (age of majority) that reports being abused is a liar.

    “If you are a mother, you are pathetic one.
    You seriously are a disgusting piece of work.”


    It said no such thing.

    I stated if a fifteen year old (older teen) testifies in court, their testimony will not be automatically accepted as incriminating evidence if there's conflicting testimony and no other witnesses or no physical evidence.

    If you think I'm wrong you should get some legal advice.

    I'm glad I don't have to deal with the kind of blatant irresponsibility, dishonesty and immaturity some people display here in any real world environment. People that stir up mindless trouble in upstanding communities are not welcome.

    There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19

  • tec
    tec

    I don't think people are as upset about questioning one person's testimony as they are about this:

    As a fore mentioned, this example was some sick family, a teenager that says her Dad raped her in their home for three years until she was 16. She didn't say at what age she informed the elders of the abuse, but she did say, she didn't alert the authorities until she was 18. Who knows what really happened by word of mouth between this family and the elders, but one thing is for certain, is the elders are not the legal authorities. If she was banging her Dad at the age of 16 (after three years) maybe it was consensual and her father was imprisoned for statutory rape.

    If she was banging her dad after three years of rape?

    Alice, you do not have any understanding about abuse and what it does to a victim, especially someone who has been victimized as a child by a person who is supposed to protect them.

    Perhaps this statement was careless on your behalf?

    Tammy

  • besty
    besty
    People that stir up mindless trouble in upstanding communities are not welcome.

    You must have been looking in a cracked mirror as you typed that truism.

  • alice.in.wonderland
    alice.in.wonderland

    "Alice, you do not have any understanding about abuse and what it does to a victim, especially someone who has been victimized as a child by a person who is supposed to protect them."

    By the age of sixteen, I'm sure it has caused profound psychological damage and has possibly demoralized the person. No one besides CPS can find out for sure what went on in the home. It's shocking for any moral adult to have to listen to someone sixteen years or older tell them they've been raped for three years by their father. The only adults that are equipped to deal with this sort of thing is CPS. It would spell out danger in my mind if a 16 year old came to me with this sort of illegal activity.

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67
    If you think I'm wrong you should get some legal advice.

    I think you are absolutely out ot lunch and completely uninformed and morally bankrupt on this issue.

    You should get some psychological advice.

    Seriously.

    Do it.

    It would spell out danger in my mind a 16 year old came to me with this sort of illegal activity

    You are absolutely correct here. It would be dangerous for anyone to come to you for help.

  • alice.in.wonderland
    alice.in.wonderland

    "You are absolutely correct here. It would be dangerous for anyone to come to you for help."

    What can you do accept direct the person to the appropriate person to deal with this? There are some presumptions people out there that act on impulse and get involved in things they have no business sticking their nose in. I'm not one of them. After the person contacts CPS she can be befriended by trusting people. She should also display she's a person that can be trusted by going to the right person for help first.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19

    By the way well said Besty

    Thats great you can quote from those 2000 yr. old ancient manuscripts to certifiably clean up your image AIW.

    Now how about walking into the 21st century and the modern social behavior standards of today......pisss..... its the year 2010 now

    You still don't get it through that thick lead coated skull of yours, that its dangerous to the community to NOT bring a situation

    to the proper authorities of a case of child abuse. If you know about social psychology concerning pedophilia than you would know

    thats its quite dangerous to just let an individual out into the open public, even if that individual have been DFed from the

    congregation. Other churches have done exactly the same thing which regrettably put innocent children in peril.

    The reason the WTS has stated that elders should only do if required by law is because they want to distance themselves from

    the situation, in essence protecting their public image as its been said over and over.

    Its a policy of irresponsibility that has dire consequences attached to those who follow those guidelines.

    Like many other churches the WTS. has constructed itself its own image protection polices.

    It might be very well that AIW doesn't care about the general pubic in whole, as long as we/they

    have done their biblical duty and DFed that individual from the congregation. If that once JW attacks a child whose not

    a JW follower, well really who cares its just a wordily child after all......right !

    Thank god not everyone runs with this backward mindset.

    Corruption from the lofty hierarchy of the WTS. brought down to the lower levels of naive stupidity.

    Keep posting AIW your doing a grand witness.

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    What can you do accept direct the person to the appropriate person to deal with this? There are some presumptions people out there that act on impulse and get involved in things they have no business sticking their nose in. I'm not one of them. After the person contacts CPS she can be befriended by trusting people. She should also display she's a person that can be trusted by going to the right person for help first.

    Yes young 10, 11 maybe 7 or 8 yr. old children have all of those capabilities that you mentioned above, your so brilliant AIW.

    You must be a University educated individual in social psychology.

    Do you have a PhD. or a undergraduate Ms.D ?

  • tec
    tec

    She should also display she's a person that can be trusted by going to the right person for help first.

    She may not know who the right person is. She might be confused, and rightly so. In that case, the person she trusted to come to needs to take the initiative and help her. By directing her to the right people as you say, yes... but also following up and making sure that she did so, especially if she is still a minor.

    Tammy

  • alice.in.wonderland
    alice.in.wonderland

    “If you know about social psychology concerning pedophilia than you would know that it's quite dangerous to just let an individual out into the open public, even if that individual have been DFed from the congregation.”

    How does the public policy even allow for such a thing?

    http://www.jw-media.org/aboutjw/article23.htm

    In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, the elders receive proper legal direction to ensure that they comply with the law. Additionally, the victim or anyone else who has knowledge of the allegation may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

    All you're trying to do is trap Jehovah's Witnesses in some kind of wrongdoing by spinning the discussion in circles.

    “That's great you can quote from those 2000 yr. old ancient manuscripts to certifiably clean up your image AIW.”

    This 3500 year old manuscript does have practicality in contemporary society.

    It's un-Biblical doctrines that have corrupted organizations from within:

    w96 9/1 pp. 17-18 pars. 17-18 The Law of the Christ

    The Catholic Church has been foremost in creating vast bodies of church law. These laws were particularly warped on matters pertaining to sex. According to the book Sexuality and Catholicism, the church absorbed the Greek philosophy of Stoicism, which was suspicious of all forms of pleasure. The church came to teach that all sexual pleasure, including that of normal marital relations, was sinful. (Contrast Proverbs 5:18, 19.) Sex was claimed to be for procreation, nothing else. Thus church law condemned any form of contraception as a very serious sin, sometimes requiring many years of penance. Further, the priesthood was forbidden to marry, an edict that has given rise to much illicit sex, including the abusing of children.—1 Timothy 4:1-3.

    As church laws multiplied, they were organized into books. These began to obscure and supersede the Bible. (Compare Matthew 15:3, 9.) Like Judaism, Catholicism distrusted secular writing and deemed much of it a threat. This view soon went far beyond the Bible’s sensible caution on the matter. (Ecclesiastes 12:12; Colossians 2:8) Jerome, a church writer of the fourth century C.E., exclaimed: “O Lord, if ever again I possess worldly books or read them, I have denied thee.” In time, the church took to censoring books—even those on secular subjects. Thus 17th-century astronomer Galileo was censured for writing that the earth orbits the sun. The church’s insistence on being the final authority on everything—even on questions of astronomy—in the long run would work to undermine faith in the Bible.

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/mar2002/chur-m29.shtml

    However, one cannot simply leave the matter there. As deplorable as the abusive priests’ conduct is, we are not inclined in this case, as in any other, to attribute it, in the words of John Paul II, to the “mystery of evil.” The priests in question are not monsters, they are human beings, some no doubt originally motivated to join the Church by idealism. They themselves are victims, of the Catholic Church itself.

    The attempt by Church officials to blame the behavior on a few individual predators, overcome by evil, is absurd. That the abuse is a long-standing and worldwide phenomenon demonstrates it is not aberrant behavior, but something ingrained in the institution and its practices. Contrary to the pope’s view, there is hardly any “mystery” whatsoever about the source of the misconduct: it emerges ineluctably from the inhuman and unnatural celibacy requirement and related medieval teachings and practices of the Church on human sexuality, associated with the doctrine of man’s Original Sin. After decades, or perhaps centuries, of concealment, the psychologically perverse consequences of these teachings and practices have been exposed for all to see.

    The crisis over sexual abuse by members of the priesthood underscores the profoundly reactionary and anachronistic character of the Catholic Church as an institution. Its corrupt and hypocritical officials, living like kings, preach against sin and vice, oppose birth control and abortion, inveigh against homosexuality, enthusiastically advocate censorship and intellectual repression, universally ally themselves with the powers that be and generally make life miserable for tens of millions of people.

    This mass of social reaction and backwardness must find reflection in personal relationships both within the Church and between priests and parishioners.

    There are a host of questions bound up with the abnormal psychology often found in the priesthood that are beyond the scope of this article. Eugene Kennedy, a former priest, now married, has written about the issue. In regard to previous sex abuse scandals, he writes about “revelations of the miserable, furtive, and immature personality growth of many priests, of which their preying, helplessly, on young boys, helpless, was a major symptom.” That this often takes the form of abuse of boys, while in society at large girls are far more likely to be victims, has less to do with the percentage of homosexual men who enter the priesthood than it does, on the one hand, with the sexual opportunities available to those deprived of humane and healthy outlets and, on the other, with an institution characterized, in Kennedy’s words, by “this movement of men to overcome other men.”

    He details the authoritarian and sadistic tendencies he came across within the Church officialdom, of men whose “sexually toned personality needs ... might horrify them if they identified these as their own drive to control or to dominate others.” There is an obvious connection between all this and the notorious repression meted out in Catholic schools longer than there have been memoirs and novels to record it.

    Every aspect of the sexual abuse crisis—the pain and suffering of the victims, the misery and sexual dysfunction of the priests, the callousness of Church officials—suggests a diseased institution whose practices and beliefs run counter to elementary human needs and inevitably breed the unhealthiest of psycho-sexual climates. The Catholic Church’s essential being flies in the face of modern society

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