New Generation understanding tied to Freddie Franz

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  • 5thGeneration

    Also don't know if this has been mentioned previously.

    Our speaker yesterday, GB member Br. Pierce, tied the overlap theory directly to Fred Franz's lifetime.

    Did anyone else catch this?

    Evidently (and I'm paraphrasing), anyone anointed after Franz's death in 1992 is NOT of the 'Generation'.


  • mentallyfree31

    I have heard two audio recordings of the convention talk on Sunday that revealed the "new generation" and they both mentioned F. Franz. So I'm assuming this part is on the outline/manuscript.


  • sherah

    That's interesting a point in light of the overlap explanation. If that is their intention, it would discredit the newly annoited in the eyes of the R&F.

  • Lozhasleft

    What do they mean is 'not of the generation' exactly? Anyone know the date in 1992 he died?

    Loz x

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    Yes, it's in the outline. I recently attended part of a convention in order to hear this talk. (see my thread: I transcribed the "generation" portion of the talk. See below:

    That brings us to the question here, or the topic, that at no time would we want to leave the "secret place." This is not the time to leave the "secret place," for that matter there wouldn't be any time to leave the "secret place." But especially now is no time to leave the "secret place." Why? Well, particularly in view of the recent clarification we had with regard to Matthew 24 and verse 34. Now turn over there, Matthew 24 and verse 34.

    We just had a Watchtower lesson last week with some fine material about this verse. Matthew 24:34: "Truly I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all things occur." Of course, the accurate or proper understanding of that really underscores the fact that we're living deep in the time of the end and there's a need at this time as never before for us to have an increased sense of urgency. Of course, that generation consists of contemporaries of individuals who lived at the same time.

    Now the Watchtower of--the 2008 Watchtower--the 12/15 issue, page 25 made this comment about the word "generation": it says the word generation usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. Now we've got an example of that: Exodus 1, and verse 6. "Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers, and all that generation."

    Just think about what's written there--it refers to Joseph and all his brothers as "that generation." Now 10 of Josephs brothers witnessed events before Joseph's birth and at least 2 of those brothers lived after his death. So they were of a variety of ages but they were contemporaries and viewed as one "generation."

    Now, correspondingly, the word "generation" there at Matthew 24:34 is comprised--or comprises--two groups of anointed Christians. The first group was on hand in the year 1914 when the sign of Christ's presence first became observable. The second group of anointed Christians are those who were anointed later and for a time were contemporaries of the older group. Now in view of that, Jesus' words there in Matthew 24:34 indicate that some of the second group will witness the beginning of the Great Tribulation, so the length of the generation, while not specified as far as the number of years, but it's a limited period of time.

    Now we might illustrate it this way, F.W. Franz was born in the year 1893, he was baptized in the year 1913, so brother Franz was alive to discern the sign in 1914. Now Brother Franz, excuse me, Brother Franz lived until the year 1992, and many present-day anointed ones were his contemporaries and part of the generation that Jesus said would not pass away until all these things occur.

    Now in view of that, Brother Franz, and for that matter, other faithful anointed ones lived in very challenging time period. A very challenging time period where strong faith was needed in order for them to remain in the secret place of the most high.

  • Gayle

    Frederick William Franz (September 12, 1893 – December 22, 1992) Wikipedia

  • sir82

    They just can't help themselves, can they?

    It's in their DNA, for lack of a better term. They have this compulsion to try to set a date, somehow, some way.

    1914, 1918, 1925, 1975....

    Generation that was adult in 1914, age of understanding in 1914, born in 1914....

    And now: Generation that was anointed prior to 1992....


  • 5thGeneration

    Generation that was anointed prior to 1992....

    I just don't understand HOW and WHY they pulled that out of the thin air.

    What does Freddie have to do with it at all?

    Unless he misspoke.

    GB members seem to often go off on tangents.

  • sherah

    Was Freddie was the last one to die from the first generation? If he was, then 1992 could be implied cut-off. Any person included in the second generation overlap would have to be anointed before 1992. My brain hurts....

  • 5thGeneration

    Was Freddie was the last one to die from the first generation?

    That might be it sherah. Good observation.

    However, John Barr is still alive and was born in 1913...

    And we're back to the 'eyes of understanding' theory! LOL

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