Our Southern Friends- Are you Pissed about the Oil Spill? I Know I Am ...... !

by flipper 233 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    LEAVING WT- Thanks for those links. It shows that the political connections that many of these movers and shakers have with BP could very well be causing a lack of attention and concern towards the spill in properly responding urgently to it. It's ridiculous. It is immoral that they would charge taxes to the wages of these people down there.

    I read in the Sacramento Bee newspaper about a tour boat captain committing suicide after working on the cleanup for BP. Many people are getting disillusioned and have just given up due to losing their livliehood's and their way of life. They have nowhere to turn. Now these people who have been independent fishermen and shrimpers for years- are having to take orders from BP in cleaning up the mess that BP caused ! I hear the red tape and hassles these people are going through is like working i a prison- with BP being boss. I can't even imagine the stress these people are enduring. It is unfathomable. So very sad to watch and see

  • freydo
    freydo

    As to what hurricanes might do Mr Flipper -

    Dear NaturalNews readers,

    "As hurricane season is now upon us, people are beginning to ask what might happen if a powerful storm picks up oil and chemicals from the Gulf of Mexico and dumps them on a major U.S. city like New Orleans. The potential scenario may be worse than you think: A city coated with oil is a tinder box ready to go up in flames if the sun dries out most of the water, leaving behind flammable oils coating everything. Read more about how the BP oil spill could turn a major U.S. city into a firestorm:"

    http://www.naturalnews.com/029082_Gulf_Coast_oil_spill.html

    "We're going to have to evacuate the gulf states.........This story is 80 times worse than I thought."

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/current/192810/3/Mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-Earths-oceans

  • freydo
    freydo

    Revelation 8:7
    "The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up."

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Not sure if it's true but crops ARE mysteriously dying ...this is an article that I believe first showed up in the SF news - sammieswife

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    BP oil spill Corexit dispersants suspected in widespread crop damage

    San Francisco Gate

    UPDATED: June 27, 2010 - Last May 24, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson promised, "We will conduct our own tests to determine the least toxic, most effective dispersant available in the volumes necessary for a crisis of this magnitude... I am not satisfied that BP has done an extensive enough analysis of other dispersant options."

    As of today, those tests have not been completed, according to the EPA. In the meantime, BP has dumped 1.4 million gallons of Corexit on the gulf. Next week, we could have a hurricane pushing Corexit inland.

    Promises... promises...

    ---ORIGINAL POST: June 10, 2010------------

    Just when you thought the damages BP could cause was limited to beaches, marshes, oceans, people's livelihoods, birds and marine life, there's more.

    BP's favorite dispersant Corexit 9500 is being sprayed at the oil gusher on the ocean floor. Corexit is also being air sprayed across hundreds of miles of oil slicks all across the gulf. There have been widespread reports of oil cleanup crews reporting various injuries including respiratory distress, dizziness and headaches.

    Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco of Naperville, Illinois (who by the way just hired some expensive lobbyists). Corexit is is four times more toxic than oil (oil is toxic at 11 ppm (parts per million), Corexit 9500 at only 2.61ppm).

    In a report written by Anita George-Ares and James R. Clark for Exxon Biomedical Sciences, Inc. titled "Acute Aquatic Toxicity of Three Corexit Products: An Overview" Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed.

    COREXIT, SALT WATER AND OIL DO NOT MIX WELL TOGETHER

    According to the Clark and George-Ares report, Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic.

    The UK's Marine Management Organization has banned Corexit so if there was a spill in the UK's North Sea, BP is banned from using Corexit. In fact Corexit products currently being used in the Gulf were removed from a list of approved treatments for oil spills in the U.K. more than a decade ago. The Environmental Advisory Service for Oil and Chemical Spills at IVL, Swedish Environmental Institute, has, upon request of the Swedish Environmental Protection Agency evaluated Corexit extensively and recommended it not be used in Swedish waters.

    The Swedish study concludes: "The studies suggest that a mixture of oil and dispersant give rise to a more toxic effect on aquatic organisms than oil and dispersants do alone... The research on toxicity of oils mixed with dispersants has, however, shown high toxicity values even when the dispersant per se was not very toxic." A report for the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation Division of Spill Prevention and Response concluded that Corexit actually inhibits bacterial degradation of crude oil. It may look good on the surface but it will take longer for natural bacteria to eat up the crude oil.

    Many of the region's important organisms, such as blue fin tuna and shrimp, use the wetlands at some point in their lifetime. Adult tuna breed during the late spring and early summer. Their eggs then float to shore and the larvae grow in the wetlands, protected from predators. Any decent chemist will tell you that surfactants, which are the primary ingredient in Corexit destroy cell membranes --- including larval membranes of larval tuna eggs, shrimp and any other marine life trying to develop.

    BP with the EPA's approval continues to pour Corexit into the gulf with no science to estimate the harm the gusher's load of dispersed oil will cause the water column, because they lack sufficient and fundamental data on how dispersants affect the oil, what creatures live in deepwater ecosystems, how laboratory flask toxicity tests translate to actual conditions in the ocean, and how oil and Corexit affects organisms over time.

    The real problem is not the dispersants themselves but what the chemicals do to the oil. By itself, oil is more toxic than dispersants alone, but together oil and Corexit is toxic. I can only assume the EPA approved Corexit because they thought diluting the dispersed oil and Corexit will mitigate its increased toxicity.

    EPA's crap shoot is that more toxic but significantly diluted dispersed oil/Corexit crap floating is better than concentrated oil slicks washing ashore. From my point of view, it's a lazy, easy and irresponsible approach. Note Sweden does not even allow dispersants. In case of a spill in Swedish waters, only mechanical extraction and vacuum is allowed.

    Lab toxicology tests (flask tests) that are the whole foundation of Corexit's approval neglect one variable that organisms encounter out on the ocean's surface - sunlight. Transparent organisms such as planktons and crustaceans called copepods react to ultraviolet light from the sun. The reaction promotes photochemical degradation of aromatic compounds from oil that the creatures have absorbed or swallowed. The degradation results in oxidized molecules that are more toxic than the original oil compounds.

    In tests to observe this photo-enhanced toxicity, aquatic toxicologist Carys L. Mitchelmore of the University of Maryland's Center for Environmental Science said researchers have found that the toxicity under natural light can be up to 50,000 times greater than the toxicity seen in a lab. Neglecting real-world conditions, laboratory experiments could underestimate dispersed oil's toxicity.

    ARE U.S. WATERS MORE EXPENDABLE THAN SWEDEN OR THE UK'S WATERS?

    The simple question I ask is: If the UK bans Corexit and Sweden recommends against it, why the hell are we using it on American waters?

    The danger to humans can be expected. The warnings on the Corexit packaging is straightforward. In the tech world, you'll hear the acronym RTFM- Read the Friggin' Manual!!! Breathing in Corexit is not recommended. It's not good for your lungs, eyes, skin or even your clothes! If you're really geeky like me, you can read that Corexit isnot good for marine life either.

    If NALCO Corexit is non-toxic then why does the warning label have severe warnings?

    It seems NALCO Corexit is also dangerous to crops.

    It seems like damage brought by the oil gusher has spread way beyond the ocean, coastal areas and beaches. Collateral damage now appears to include agricultural damage way inland Mississippi.

    A mysterious "disease" has caused widespread damage to plants from weeds to farmed organic and conventionally grown crops. There is very strong suspicion that ocean winds have blown Corexit aerosol plumes or droplets and that dispersants have caused the unexplained widespread damage or "disease".

    e is no other explanation for the crop damage. It's conjecture on my part but everything points to something that has a widespread effect on plants and crops. Studies on Corexit and its effects on plants are consistent with the damage sustained in the lower Mississippi area. Check out the table on page 877 of the study. While no one precisely knows, all the signs point to BP's use of aerosolized Corexit brought inland by the ocean winds or rain.

    Remember acid rain? Now it seems we could have toxic dispersant rain.

  • flipper
    flipper

    FREYDO- If these southern states cities catch on fire due to dried out oils acting as matchsticks after storms - the U.S. government is going to have anarchy on their hands . I just hope this hurricane season is not as bad as recent years.

    SAMMIE'S WIFE- Thanks for the articles and information on this dispersant. Crazy. So BP is not satisfied with the damage by the leaking oil they have to destroy wildlife even more with Corexit ? I think BP's leaders and executives have bird poo-poo for brains. Problem is : they just don't care

  • freydo
    freydo

    Defending the South Against the Oil Slickers http://www.v-a.com/

    "In the 19th Century America, the South became the home for the African slaves who had been transported and sold as slave labor by the European and Arab traders.The American Southerners did not commission the slave traders. They bought the slaves on American shores and used them for agriculture and domestic services.That the South thrived economically is a well-known historical and cultural fact.The North regarded the South's wealth with jealousy. The Civil War was not started to emancipate the slaves. The North had slaves too. It was a different form of slavery, but that is another topic.

    The South was thriving again at the end of the 20th Century. The Civil War was finally being put behind them and the Southern Coast of the US was seeing a rush of wealth from the fisheries, tourism, and oil exploration. The Southern ports were teaming with merchant ships bringing a healthy trade to America.The Northern cities were suffering from a long drought and their industries were being over-taxed by the government.There were natural disasters to contend with in the South as well, but the Southerners have always been resilient. In the worst of times, their generous spirits buoys them to the top; they survive and thrive again. Now we have this giant oil well exploding in the Gulf and making a total mess of the Southern Coast, wiping out the fisheries and the families that lived off the trade. It is as if the Northern interests are with the oil companies and the Industrial North decided not to help cleaning up the oil. Perhaps the Obama government was elected by the Industrial North and its Southern cronies that do not represent the Conservative South. They never have. (This November vote them all out.)

    They are letting the oil destroy the Southern way of life again. Instead of letting British Petroleum pay the Southerners for the damages done to them, the Obama government has exacted a $20 billion payment from British Petroleum and has created a bureaucracy to administer the fund, so they will decide on who to pay and who not to pay. Is this why they did not accept the clean up technologies of the Norwegians, the Dutch and other countries that were being offered to immediately clean up the oil and recover it? Did they want to be the ones who would be paid by British Petroleum and the other oil companies for the continued and future exploration of oil? This is not how the free enterprise system works. As for this oil disaster, it seems that it is to the benefit of the North to let the South suffer the losses again. When is the North going to change its mindset; we are one nation under God? The slaves have been freed; let the people go."

    June 18, 2010

  • flipper
    flipper

    FREYDO- Good read, thanks for posting. I consider this Gulf oil spill to be a " world " problem - not just a " United States " or BP problem. It could eventually devastate the planet. I heard that the ground at the bottom of the ocean is bulging, buckling and rumor is that BP unwittingly drilled right into a huge methane gas deposit. If a huge Methane gas explosion happened- they'd have to evacuate the entire gulf coast - as millions could die from the gas. BP and the government are hiding exactly HOW BIG this problem is

  • freydo
    freydo

    Gulf Coast now a BP police state as law enforcement conspires with BP to intimidate journalists

    Dear NaturalNews readers,

    "Remember our recent article about the First Amendment being suspended in the Gulf Coast? Well now it's even worse: BP is now paying the salaries of local police officers who, together with BP private security goons, are threatening and intimidating journalists who try to take pictures from public roadways. Today's alarming developments involve freelance photographer Lance Rosenfield. Read what just happened to him: Normally I would open this article by explaining this is the story the mainstream media won't dare report. Except in this case, they are reporting it. It's right on CNN, on the Anderson Cooper "360" report...........Why this matters This is scary stuff, folks. Now we have a police state in America. No one can deny it. You can't argue the point anymore. It is documented fact, and it's happening right now in the Gulf Coast. If you pick up a professional camera and start snapping photos of a BP refinery, or a BP cleanup vessel, or a beach with an oil boom on it, you risk being followed, detained, questioned and intimidated. And if you don't surrender your own rights and consent to an illegal search of your photos or film footage, you will be hauled into a federal holding facility and held by the Department of Homeland Security until they feel like letting you go. Your rights as a free citizen have now been obliterated. America is now a fascist corporatocracy that answers to the financial interests of the corporations -- at the expense of the freedoms of the People......................"

    http://www.naturalnews.com/029153_British_Petroleum_Police_State.html

  • flipper
    flipper

    FREYDO- This is definitely what I feared might happen. It's coming true for sure. The huge corporations are controlling our president and our government. It is criminal that BP is being allowed to be their own police state or police force. I mean, come on - A reporter gets detained for even TAKING PICTURES of the oil spill or BP equipment ? This is insanity my friends. It appears we have lost our main freedoms of the press and freedoms of speech all in one huge fell swoop ! It's like the WT society re-visited. Or communist Russia. If the American public cannot have access to information of what is REALLY happening underneath the Gulf ocean - then millions of lives may be endangered if huge fissures we haven't been told about explode with more gas and methane thus endangering millions ! This is just sick that BP & our government is closing off access to life saving information. Really sick. Thanks for sharing this Freydo

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    There is a lot more to worry about for anyone living down there and I think we all know it. The stuff in the water is highly toxic both in the air and in the water as it destroys all the organs. I watched a few scientists on the news reporting what they know to be the outcome to exposure and it's ugly....like I said, people letting their kids splash in the water as oil washes up on shore..the whole area is a dead zone for miles according to these specialists and according to them, this will be a decades problem.

    One of the fellows tested was a shrimper who had water from the ocean spill on him. Three weeks later he was bleeding from the rectum, had heart palpitations, chronic headache, blurred vision..but the EPA uses only a 96 hour test period to determine toxicity. The specialist who was in wet suit in the water, ended up with shortness of breath and a searing in her lungs...from just breathing in the air. As they have all noted, mixed together the stuff is deadly to all living organisms...it will destroy cells and humans have a lot of those!

    This is part of the interview by one of the professionals.....sammieswife.

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    Speaking to CNN on Friday, her message was a bit more dire.

    "It ruptures red blood cells, causes internal bleeding and liver and kidney damage," Dr. Shaw said. "This stuff is so toxic -- combined, it's not the oil alone, it's not the dispersant -- the dispersed oil that still contains this stuff, it's very, very toxic and it goes right through skin."

    The claims would seem to echo a fellow toxicologist who described the effects of Corexit as the disruption of oil bilipid layers, which he called "the very basis of life."

    "Each of us is made out of cells," Dr. Chris Pincetich explained in a recent interview. "Those cells are nothing more than an oil layer surrounding our proteins and RNA and all the other molecules talking to each other. You put in a chemical that disrupts that basic biological structure and you are putting yourself at risk from umpteen effects."

    Mixed with toxic compounds leached from crude oil, said "umpteen effects" are completely unknown at this point, with Dr. Shaw's statements being among the first reports on the dire health effects of dispersed oil exposure.

    None of the most recent news bodes well for U.S. residents anywhere near the Gulf coast. Some reports have suggested that new chemical compounds formed in the Gulf's hot, salty summer waters are evaporating and potentially returning in rains across the south-eastern U.S. There's also the case of an amateur video shot in Louisiana after a heavy rain, in which the videographer claims to be witnessing an oil sheen on almost all surfaces touched by the condensation.

    While the claim of oil rain was not confirmed, it still caused a significant stir online. Crude oil cannot evaporate, but there are legitimate fears that some of the lighter oil or compounds leached out of it and significantly thinned by Corexit, may have come aground in condensation. It is also possible that a strong storm or water-spout at sea simply picked up a volume of oily mixture and deposited it across an area of land, but the odds of that are small.

    Along that same line, a million different and horrifying scenarios exist if a hurricane plows through the ever-growing volume of oil and spreads untold gallons across miles of populated American soil.

    While no government agency has made such an announcement, considering the recently available, credible analysis, coastal residents within several miles of the Gulf would be well advised to take note of their exposure to sea spray, which may be carrying a higher content of toxic chemicals than normal.

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