What's Your View on Tipping? (page 10)

AGuest

So, you're going to short the staff? That just makes your position even more untennable.

Mmmmmm... nooooooo... that's not what I said... or alluded to... at all. I just thought it... well, interesting... that you find non- or low-tippers "despicable"... but apparently, by your omission of them in your comment, the employers who have no problem paying their staff an indecently low wage and instead, not only RELY on... but often REQUIRE others to do it FOR them... well... unaccountable at all. But you know what I meant and stated... and so, I have to say that I now find this comment... ummm... "interesting," as well.

But... peace to you, dear JD, of course!

Slave of Christ,

SA

AwSnap

I couldn't agree more, LightCloud.

AGuest

If the service is "bad"... why is ANY tip required at all? Again, I am a tipper. I'm just not totally sold that I SHOULD be... in all instances...

Peace to all!

A salve of Christ,

SA

sammielee24

You hit that one right on AGuest....finding a non tipper or low tipper despicable but omitting the tax dodging tip recipients and the employers who exploit their customers by forcing them to pay for the employees - well, it's interesting to say the least. Lot's of things to find disgust with in a personality but tipping sure ain't on my radar - lol....sammieswife.

Paul Wachter wrote an interesting article for The New York Times on the curious customs of tipping: how it came to be and why we tip (even if the service is bad).

Economists have struggled to explain tipping. Why tip at all, since the bill is presented at the end of a meal and can’t retroactively improveservice? And certainly there’s no reason to tip at a restaurant you will never revisit. “Using a rational and selfish agent to explain tipping, one reaches the conclusion that the agent should never tip if he does not intend to visit the establishment again,” Ofer Azar, the economist, writes. “Yet this prediction is sharply violated in practice: most people tip even when they do not intend to ever come back.”
The single most important factor in determining the amount of a tip is the size of the bill. Diners generally tip the same percentage no matter the quality of the service and no matter the setting. They do so, Lynn says, largely because it’s expected and diners fear social disapproval. “It is embarrassing to have another person wait on you,” the psychologist Ernest Dichter told a magazine reporter in 1960. “The need to pay, psychologically, for the guilt involved in the unequal relationship is so strong that very few are able to ignore it.” Ego needs also play a part, especially when it comes to overtipping, according to the Israeli social psychologist Boas Shamir.

DaCheech

so if service is bad, why not leave $2? then walk up to the manager and explain them why you left $2? I have done it 2x in my life.

those 2 establishments never saw my business again.

if you don't like the prices of a restaurant why go there? there are plenty of places? find the one with the right combo for you!

witnesses are cheap! and they teach each other how to outcheap each other!

I would expect a decent human being to make $15-22/hour, so what's wrong with a waiter making that much?

if they're cheating uncle sam then I would not side with them! eventually goverments/irs catch up to trades with sweeps.

years ago I remember them auditing the majority of pizzerias, they requesitioned all their supplier records and used formulas for theoretic sales, many of them were wayyyyyyyy off. they got penalty taxes up the swazzoo

John Doe

That´s the strangest part in this attitude. You are supposed to do your job anyway, just like many other people do, who don´t get tipped. You don´t tip people at McDonalds and they are also paid low second to nothing.

Minimum wage at McDonalds is close to 3 times minimum wage for waitresses. Tips are figured into the income structure of wait staff. That's a simple fact. The advandage is having staff that caters to your needs. Frankly bub, we don't need to model our wage structure like you do in Europe. If you like it, great. Don't, however, prevent a twisted view of our system that distorts the reality and ignores the benefits. Such snubbery is unbecoming of a civilized society.

beksbks

You go Nathmedeah!! I agree wholeheartedly.

John Doe

Like your health care system that really sucks and is highly unjust and inhuman.

What a load of bull cau cau. The U. S. has the most advanced specialists in the world. While there is undoubtedly room for improvement (as there is with any system in the world) to say it sucks and is unjust and inhuman is to misunderstand the issues involved, the political structure of the country (not one country per se, but a collection of sovereign states with separate allocations of power), and the positive aspects of the system.

Perhaps you've got room for the beks of the world over there? They have a tendency for self loathing in every aspect anyway.

DaCheech

who said europeans don't expect tips? I gave you my experience a couple of threads ago, where a tour guide kept on reminding us every day on the bus........ i felt like pegging her.

if she was getting a decent wage (you guys keep on saying europeans are not salary slaved) then why did I feel awkward listening to the bullshit

DaCheech

sammi what's these ads in your paragraph?

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