JOBLESS COUPLE HAVE 12 KIDS AND GET A $1,000,000 FREE HOME

by Mary 204 Replies latest social current

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    alphafemale:

    There is a certain satisfaction in earning ones own living.

    There's also a certain satisfaction in getting one over on someone else. You may perhaps have too much dignity to feel smug that someone gave you a free house but many people would be delighted and indeed, think they deserved it. Often, poor people genuinely think they deserve to be given handouts because they see people with more money and don't understand how they got it.

    That some people are unable to is an indictment against society, not the individual.

    Perhaps, but the fact that some people are unwilling to work is an indictment against the individual. A society that rewards people for not working certainly has problems so it's not entirely fair to blame the Gillespies. The socialist culture that gives them their sense of entitlement is indeed also to blame.

    There are too many unscrupulous "entrepreneurs" and 'fat cat business men who will get other people working for them and pay little or nothing in return for hard physical graft.

    But how can they do that? My ability to work is worth a certain amount of money to someone. I will do my best to get as much money in exchange for my work as I can. My employers will try to get as much work from me for as little money as they can. If we can find a level at which we agree, then we both win. If not we both go our separate ways and find a more suitable candidate for trade.

    As for the huge pay gap you try to justify, no one, no matter how skilled or qualified they are is worth the enormous wages some people 'earn' but everyone should have a chance to earn a living wage.

    Again, what a particular product or service is worth is determined only by how much someone is willing to pay for it. You can demand £20 an hour for your ability to clean toilets but you can't force someone to pay you that much. The great thing about this is that everyone does have a chance to earn a living wage. There is nothing stopping the Gillespies from earning enough to keep them. The problem is that they had more children than they could afford and expect somebody else to foot the bill.

    The article showed that Mr Gillespie would have worked if he could have earned a living wage to support his family.

    No, it showed that he would have worked if the handouts he was receiving weren't worth more. I don't entirely blame him for not taking the job. I blame the government for rewarding him for not working.

    How do you know that those children will never learn to pay for themselves?

    They might but why would they? They see that their family is better off than they have any right to be, and that if their parents worked for a living they wouldn't be so well off. They are unlikely to receive a university education and so are likely to earn less than average throughout their lives. Even if they differ from their parents in finding unemployment satisfying, they will realise that in the society in which they live, they will be rewarded for scrounging and punished for working.

    They certainly have more chance to make something of themselves now, given a decent environment than they would if they were forced to live in the poverty and squalor some people here seem to think they deserve.

    I disagree. There's nothing like hardship to promote ambition.

    As for irresponsibility, I say that the very act of publicizing this family's stuation is irresponsible. What does the Daily Mail think will happen to those children when they go back to school after the holidays I wonder?

    Nothing, of course. Why would anything happen to them? Wouldn't most sensible people agree with you that these people are not in fact scroungers but that we should be happy to go without luxuries so that they can have them? Or do you think some people will disagree with that?

  • alphafemale
    alphafemale

    Derek,

    I notice the article mentions that the eldest son has already joined the army. I take it that you do not consider that to be scrounging? Where one goes the rest may well follow. If not the army, then some other job where they can pay for themselves and contribute towards society. Give them a chance, they may all surprise you.

    Alpha :)

  • Mary
    Mary
    Rosalee droned: "Witnesses are among(st) the biggest leeches I know." ... your words ... bold for emphasis ... are you afraid that if you don't type in bold and swear often, that no one will pander to you?

    Uh no, I don't have to be "afraid" of people not reading my posts. Unlike you, I've been on here a long time and alot of people enjoy my posts as I have a good sense of humour and have posted intelligent threads. Unlike you who has so far, not contributed ANYTHING of value to this board, but I'll bet you're counting it as "time" on your Service Report.......As for my posts being 'in bold', I always bold the entire post. Do you have a problem with that? And ya, I swear. If you don't like it----tough.

    You actually know SO many leeches that you can honestly say Witnesses are the "biggest"?

    Oh let's see.........Yes I know a lot of Witnesses that are 'leeches' from my old Hall. Want some examples? First one is an elder. Collects a "Disability Pension" because his backs too sore for him to work. Funny thing is, he does all kinds of building 'on the side' that doesn't seem to hurt his back at all, plus he gets paid in cash so that he doesn't have to pay an tax on it. The other elders are fully aware of this, but seeing as most of them are also doing some pretty shady deals, they just look the other way. Another sister had to go to work for the first time in her life a few years ago. Decided she didn't want to work (cut into her social time with other Dubs) so she developed "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" and now collects a Disability Pension. I hear she put her application in for pioneering in June. Surely this is a fine indication that Jehovah blessed her laziness eh? Another sister who was a Bookkeeper, recently also developed "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" and was approved for a Disability Pension. The second she was approved, she quit working, and she and her hubby took a trip to Hawaii. Now that they're back, she's also put her application in for Regular Pioneering.

    Would you like me to continue? Sorry, I don't have the statistics as to the number of Witnesses who take advantage of the very system that is part of the world that Jehovah is "going to soon destroy", but hopefully you get the general idea.......unless you're too enraged by truth to think rationally.

    Last I looked, Canada and the USA are two different countries.

    No shit Sherlock. And your point is?

    Eclipse said: MaryRosalee was obvoiusly suffering from the-truth-hurts-don't-it syndrome. I just read her previous posts...what a darling ray of sunshine I got a wram and fuzzy feeling inside when I read them. Ok, sorry for lying, her posts made me feel like slapping her with a large tuna fish, preferably frozen

    Yep........Her 100 posts are generally typical Witness reaction when anything, no matter how truthful, is said against The Organization.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    re: the state of welfare in the USA, I believe Tatina (april) posted how it actually is.

    I guess I may have a rosy view of the past, but I have known many families that had a lot of kids and they were very happy people. Yes the kids were expected to go to work.

    I think it may be a little early to judge these peoples children as they are all very young yet. I would not write them off as losers just yet. I believe the oldest has joined the military.

    I just see not need to be so judgmental.

  • Rosalee
    Rosalee

    Mary ... did you put your arm out patting yourself on the back :)

    Considering your language skills and your proclivity for attention, I will take your examples with a grain of salt.

    My defending the organiztion is called 'loyalty'. Do you own a dictionary or shall I explain that word for you?

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    alphafemale:

    I notice the article mentions that the eldest son has already joined the army. I take it that you do not consider that to be scrounging?

    Meh. It's mostly a way of getting money from the government for doing nothing worthwhile. But there's a war on, so it's not the easy route it might normally be.

    Where one goes the rest may well follow. If not the army, then some other job where they can pay for themselves and contribute towards society. Give them a chance, they may all surprise you.

    I've no problem with giving them a chance. I object to giving them a mansion.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Mary ... did you put your arm out patting yourself on the back :)

    Not at all. But thanks so much for your concern.

    Considering your language skills and your proclivity for attention, I will take your examples with a grain of salt.

    Translation: 'I can't think of any defense for the examples she provided, so I'll just try and insinuate that she must be lying.' Great comeback Rosalee! Did you put your arm out patting yourself on the back? :)

    My defending the organiztion is called 'loyalty'. Do you own a dictionary or shall I explain that word for you?

    No, it's called 'being brainwashed' and 'refusing to see the truth' of the matter. Hilter's followers were also 'loyal' to the Third Reich. And by the way, your 'loyalty' to the Organization is highly questionable, since you're on an 'apostate' site that you've been instructed not to read. Tsk, tsk, tsk.....what would your elders say?

  • Rosalee
    Rosalee

    Here goes ... Mary ... Webster's 101 :)

    loyalty: quality, state, or instance of being loyal; faithfulness or faithful adherence to a person, government, cause, duty etc.

    It's called the Queen's English to those who have more than a grade school education and leave the swear words for gutter people.

  • Mary
    Mary
    loyalty: quality, state, or instance of being loyal; faithfulness or faithful adherence to a person, government, cause, duty etc.

    Then why are you posting on a website that the Governing Body had deemed "apostate" and have instructed followers not to visit? That is called being "disloyal" and "unfaithful". You're not 'loyal' at all----you're a hypocrite, and a pathetic one at that.

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    he he lol

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