WT monitors sites?

by Gordy 71 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gordy
    Gordy

    There was a post on the other day someone was asking about whether the WT monitors websites such as this and other "apostate" sites.

    Unfortunately I couldn't find it to add this to it.

    I remembered a JW who worked on installing computers at London Bethel, some time ago telling me that the WT did monitor websites.

    This JW is gradually fading away from being one, so can't say to much about him.

    I wrote to him asking for confirmation whether the WT does monitors sites. Below is the reply he sent me.

    Of course the WBTS monitor the JWDs, in many different ways. They have readers that scan what is going on from "IP Hidden" or "Dynamic IP" sources. Also about 3 years ago they had some ex CIA types in (called the plumbers) and installed a ALPHA programme called "Carnivore". Its a cut down version of some very specialist systems used by the intelligence services. Its an IP trace and system interrogation program. They plant "Land Mines" on all JWD boards that link to another site via their controlling site - "news article" or "Read this" - they then track the IP address and/ or plant a spyware cookie. They've cut back on this practice a lot now, and off shored it (deniability) due to the Data protection Act etc etc - but they still use it. FYI all calls into and out of Bethel are recorded (including pay phones) - This is Salters, Paris, Mill Hill and Bittacy Hill, Patterson and Brooklyn - they use an Israeli system called COMVERSE for this. Also all IP (Internet Protocol) traffic is also logged in and out of the compounds as are all key strokes on computers and web sites visited - this is for secured wireless and Ethernet "connect Direct". Interesting thing at Patterson and Bittacy is that the steel shanked building is resistant to external Wireless - so they installed an adsl wireless internal system that is open and looks external -but is in fact internal and monitored, just to catch people out. They discovered a Homosexual couple in Bittacy Hill using this wireless track and got them both disfellowshiped.

  • serendipity
    serendipity

    If the WTS is going to such lengths, they are truly in defensive mode.

    I wonder if JWs realize this is how their contributions are being used.

    I also have to wonder how J. Cano escaped detection?

  • fullofdoubtnow
    fullofdoubtnow

    That's interesting, Gordy. If they are monitoring us, I'll have to remember to be even more abusive towards them than I am now lol.

    They can monitor me all they like, I'm da'd.

  • crazyblondeb
    crazyblondeb

    Hmm, interesting. But all they have to do is PM me, and I'll be glad to tell them where I am!! They can't hurt me anymore than they already have!! They remind me of scared little men, hiding......

  • lowden
    lowden

    Well at least they know how much we hate 'em and that we KNOW the game.

    I hope they ROT for their devious, evil lies.

    Big Brother is truly watching us then. But he won't control me anymore!!!!!

    Peace

    Lowden

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    Is the technical information in the email common knowledge there? If this information is known to only a select few this thread could help them close in on him.

    W

  • skeptic2
    skeptic2

    Of course the WBTS monitor the JWDs, in many different ways. They have readers that scan what is going on from "IP Hidden" or "Dynamic IP" sources. Also about 3 years ago they had some ex CIA types in (called the plumbers) and installed a ALPHA programme called "Carnivore". Its a cut down version of some very specialist systems used by the intelligence services. Its an IP trace and system interrogation program. They plant "Land Mines" on all JWD boards that link to another site via their controlling site - "news article" or "Read this" - they then track the IP address and/ or plant a spyware cookie. They've cut back on this practice a lot now, and off shored it (deniability) due to the Data protection Act etc etc - but they still use it.

    Carnivore is a packet sniffer for tracing emails developed by the FBI. It has to be placed in the path of the email data, i.e. installed at an ISP. I don't see what application this has installed at bethel. They could simply log all emails sent in or out, without installing email tracing capability.

    As for 'land mines' - they post on forums, with links in the post such as 'news article' or 'read this', then if you click on the link they read your ip address? And then what? They know what ISP you're with?

    FYI all calls into and out of Bethel are recorded (including pay phones) - This is Salters, Paris, Mill Hill and Bittacy Hill, Patterson and Brooklyn - they use an Israeli system called COMVERSE for this. Also all IP (Internet Protocol) traffic is also logged in and out of the compounds as are all key strokes on computers and web sites visited - this is for secured wireless and Ethernet "connect Direct". Interesting thing at Patterson and Bittacy is that the steel shanked building is resistant to external Wireless - so they installed an adsl wireless internal system that is open and looks external -but is in fact internal and monitored, just to catch people out. They discovered a Homosexual couple in Bittacy Hill using this wireless track and got them both disfellowshiped.

    They pay Israeli intelligence services to record pay phone calls around the bethel?

    This all sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Wow, incredible insight, Gordy, thanks for the heads-up. That spyware business is just glorious.

  • crazyblondeb
    crazyblondeb

    here's a link explaining what carnivore is http://computer.howstuffworks.com/carnivore1.htm

  • daystar
    daystar
    They plant "Land Mines" on all JWD boards that link to another site via their controlling site - "news article" or "Read this" - they then track the IP address and/ or plant a spyware cookie.

    I wanted to lend a technical opinion in case there are doubters. This is certainly a possibility. All a person would have to do is insert an image, even a transparent one, into a post. Every person that then reads the post will load that image from a WBTS-controlled host. When that image loads, it will log your real IP address.

    Tracking it from there is another thing entirely and could be difficult... but maybe not so much for them.

    As far as cookies are concerned, I set my browser to prompt me each and every time a site wants to safe a cookie on my machine. I allow or block based upon whether I think the site needs to. For example, I need Amazon to save a cookie, but not ads.whatever.com.

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