What kind of complete bastard regime do they have in Australia?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_1511000/1511903.stm
Norm
Australian Nazi regime?
by Norm 99 Replies latest jw friends
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Zep
One thats hopefully going to out at the next election, only to be replaced by another bastard regime.
I think i'll vote independant or something...
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Kent
It's all real cool. A Norwegian ship is asked by the Australian Nazi regime to help people - they do - and the nazi kangaroos in the Australian government suddenly won't touch the case.
Who the hell cares if e few hundred muslems die?
Yakki Da
Kent
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Zep
you should hear talk back radio down here.
The muslim hating cranks that ring up are amazing.
They'd have you believe that if we let them in they'll overrun the country and destroy our way of life.
The Government is just playing political games. Trying to score a few political points with the looming election..Its all BS.
Last i heard the Tanker had moved into Australian territorial waters just off Christmas Island and had been boarded by SAS...
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ozziepost
G'day Norm,
I see no-one has 'taken up the challenge' so your good old ozzie will try and make a comment.
Firstly I should tell you that I am no admirer of our current Prime Minister who has shown himself to be particularly dogmatic on some issues. But on the issue of the illegals I feel some sympathy with his government's position. I must say that his action has taken many Australians by surprise. For the past few years we have become a 'popular' destination for thousands of boat people. You will appreciate that the Australian coastline is vast and the task of keeping the 'borders' safe is particularly difficult. Some say that it's impossible to maintain a secure coastline as vast as ours.
Australian human rights legislation ensures that boat people making it to any part of the mainland of Australia are dealt with in the courts. They are given taxpayer funded legal representation and each individual's case may take years to process. In the meantime they are 'housed' in immigration camps which may appear as prisons. They are not for they are only loosely secured and recently there has been a spate of escapes from a camp in Sydney involving scores of people. In this the government is 'damned if they do, and damned if they don't" so to speak.
Many of the populace are calling for more stringent handling of boat people because it's perceived that they jump the queue before other legitimate migrant applications. It's also an election year!
I see the current intransigence of our government as sending a message to others. Our coastal watch and navy report THOUSANDS on the seas approaching Christmas Island.
Of course the ship's captain that picked up the stranded boat people was performing a humanitarian act and may now feel somewhat peeved.
Before those in Europe start to criticise, may I ask about the thousands of Afghans gaining entry to the UK via the Channel Tunnel as reported in this week's issue of Time magazine? How do the Brits feel about that? Of course, the French say it's nothing to do with them, even though a reported 90% make it on to the train from the French side!
BTW I suggest that your title alluding to Nazism is inappropriate. If you really are from Norway, I can understand that your country suffered from a German Nazi invasion but is that at issue in the situation of boat people heading to Australia?
Cheers,
Ozzie"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies"
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Jang
The Government has taken this stand because the biggest problem we have here is detention centres that are already over-crowded with boat people ..... Until now we have let them come in but we just can't accommodate them all until they are processed.
The charge that this is being anti-Muslim doesn't hold either. This boatload aren't Muslims, they are Christians who are fleeing the Muslims anti-Christian regime in Afghanistan......
If they had stayed in Pakistan in the refugee camps they would have been processed there and would have had a good chance of getting into Oz legally.
The Government is willing to help anyone who needs medical attention etc on the boats .... but they simply don't want more boat people because we are being flooded with them. We understand that there are many more boats already on their way and others planning to come ...
What are we to do with them all?
IT is difficult to distinguish true refugees from queue jumpers until they have been properly processed. Already we have a whole lot of people who are being sent back because they aren't true refugees ... and we have to foot the bill of keeping them and paying to send them home also.
At least we asked the ship to pick them up ..... most of them don't get seen in time and there are a lot of these boats that have sunk killing 150 plus men, women and children each time.
Somewhere, somehow, we have to convince them to stay put and come through normal channels.
Sounds hard but what can we do??????
JanG
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Zep
you will appreciate that the Australian coastline is vast and the task of keeping the 'borders' safe is particularly difficult. Some say that it's impossible to maintain a secure coastline as vast as ours.
We do have a large border, but most of its harsh desert, and as a nation we are still relatively isolated.
For the past few years we have become a 'popular' destination for thousands of boat people.
Nowhere near as popular as certain european countries on the mediteranean coast. Apparently they get a huge influx from Africa. Our refugee influx is relatively minor to other countries.
I see the current intransigence of our government as sending a message to others.
What, the smugglers. The people who smuggle these people in dont tell them them of the risks or that they will most likely get caught. They will still come. These people are desperate. A lot are fleaing Afghanistan...and Iraq, a country we have imposed harsh sanctions on!
What are we supposed to do. Indonesia wont take them. We have a duty of care...or we could just feed them to the sharks like some talk back idiots want to do.
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ozziepost
This is this evening's report from our Channel network:
Australian troops take control of Tampa
Australian commandos have seized control of a Norwegian freighter as it tried to bring 438 asylum seekers ashore on Christmas Island.
The unprecedented move, on the orders of Prime Minister John Howard, added a dangerous edge to a diplomatic standoff over the fate of the mostly Afghani boat people, rescued from a sinking fishing boat on Sunday.
About 45 crack troops from the Special Air Service (SAS) clambered aboard the container ship MS Tampa and ordered its master to turn back into international waters.
"The ship is now in the control of the SAS," Mr Howard told parliament, saying the ship had disregarded Australian orders to stay in international waters.
It had lain for three days just off the remote Indian Ocean outpost after Australia refused permission for the asylum seekers to be put ashore.
Earlier today the Tampa's captain Arne Rinnan, concerned about the health of his passengers, took matters into his own hands and tried to reach land to disembark the ailing boat people.
He got to within four nautical miles of the dock at Flying Fish Cove when the Tampa was intercepted by three Zodiac vessels carrying fully armed commandos dressed in camouflage fatigues, helmets and flak jackets.
They ordered him to turn around and stayed on board while the vessel cleared territorial waters.
Tonight the ship was adrift in international waters after the captain had turned off the engines. The Australian troops remained on board.
Australia's military intervention drew swift criticism from Norway.
"One cannot force a ship which the captain deems unfit to sail into international waters," Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said on Norwegian radio.
"The Australian prime minister did not agree with me," he added.
The ship's owners said they may seek compensation and raised the possibility of a piracy charge against Australia.
"It's totally unheard of, to use military force in a situation like this," said Per Ronnevig, spokesman for the shipping line Wallenius Wilhelmsen.
"The Australian government is putting up a brand new standard in established international rules as far as behaviour at sea is concerned."
Mr Howard said Norway had been warned Australia would take action to stop and board the ship if it tried to enter Australian waters.
"It remains our very strong determination not to allow this vessel or its occupants, save and excepting humanitarian circumstances clearly demonstrated, to land in Australia," he said.
"We will take whatever action is needed, within the law, of course, to prevent that occurring."
Australia believes the Tampa should take the asylum seekers back to Indonesia, their point of departure, with the port of Merak near Jakarta the nearest harbour big enough to handle the huge container ship.
Foreign Minister Hassan Wirayuda said today Indonesia was "under no international obligation" to accept the asylum-seekers.
Cheers,
Ozzie"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies"
ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON, The Grandmother -
ozziepost
I see the current intransigence of our government as sending a message to others.
What, the smugglers.Come off it Zep, use your imagination!
For the benefit of our Scandinavian colleagues:
This is an excellent site for checking out refugee figures
http://www.unhcr.ch/world/alpha.htm
very easy to look up every country in the world.
Refugee intake figures for 1999
Norway 1,500
Sweden 1,800
Australia - minumum quota per annum of 4,000 +
Australia is one of the top 3 resettlement countries in the world.Cheers,
Ozzie"A lie which is half a truth is ever the blackest of lies"
ALFRED, LORD TENNYSON, The Grandmother -
Kent
Hi Ozzie;
Of course the ship's captain that picked up the stranded boat people was performing a humanitarian act and may now feel somewhat peeved.
On top of that, he acted on a direct request from the Australians, and an Aussie (military?)coast guard helicopter escorted the ship to the refugees.
I see the problem, we have a few here in Norway as well - but in this case the Australian government ASKED the Norwegian captain to help them - and when he did - the aussies let the refugees die on his ship!
Maybe "nazi" is not a proper word - but what is?
Yakki Da
Kent
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