Why all the venom?

by lynnmelo 175 Replies latest members adult

  • jaffacake
    jaffacake

    I often ask the same question. My family and I are sometimes on the receiving end of far worse venom than anything I have seen on this board. The source of the venom, Jehovah's Witness lifeling friends who we care deeply about. And the reason...because we politely ask occasional questions in response to their claims to have "the truth".

    Having studied with JWs myself earlier this year, and through studying their history and their literature, I know at least 100 questions, any one of which threatens to expose the truth about "the truth" if they were to research the answers. It is easier to spit venom at me than seek answers to my qustions. It truly breaks my heart.

    A very warm welcome to the board.

    You remind me of myself 25 years ago when I faded from my version of "the truth" (seventh day adventism) out of cowardice. Only this year have I found out why SDAs did not actually have the truth. That same research also showed me the reasons why JWs mormons and many others are similarly mistaken, yet sincerly so. I am now at ease with my Christian faith after all these years.

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway

    You mention that you have anger because your childhood was ruined by your mother becoming a JW. Ruined is a strong word. Then you mention that you didn't go to college as a young person because you were raised [to become] a jw and was told not to go. Perhaps there were benefits to respecting the direction not to go. While it is true that there have been misplaced expectations, some feeling that "the end" would have come before now, I'm sure that whoever is still with JWs has updated their expectations, realizing that they serve Jehovah, not a date. Being in Alaska and the others in Kansas doesn't change one aspect, they're still family — with all the memories and hopes. As you said yourself: You may feel that they have the answers now, but wait a while you might think differently. — Fred E Hathaway

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway

    We've all gone through some really bad times. Depending on how we view things, we can become better, or bitter, depending on our choices. "Wasted years" is very subjective; while we enjoy something, we don't call it "wasted", unless we "like" being "wasted" — which is a different subject entirely. "Anger" certainly goes with a view of "wasted years." When we "help others", we shift our view point, and the "anger" goes away. You and your husband, a former elder, may not be "disfellowshipped", but you have "disassociated" yourself, which amounts to basically the same thing — you're "not one of Jehovah's Witnesses". Being a very serious Bible student and really digging into the scriptures and their teachings, preparing to conduct the weekly Watchtower study — these are all commendable activities, as long as we're whole-souled for Jehovah, trusting in his direction and guidance. We then may learn "very disturbing things" and our faith stays intact. As Pontius Pilate asked Jesus: what is "truth"? Since Jehovah is the God of truth, according to the Bible, it is His truth that endures, while His competitors lose ground. No one understands truth like Jehovah or those He enlightens, if only they wait till His appointed time.

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Fred,

    You mention that you have anger because your childhood was ruined by your mother becoming a JW. Ruined is a strong word.

    Yes. And very accurate in many cases. What is your point?

    Then you mention that you didn't go to college as a young person because you were raised [to become] a jw and was told not to go.

    Judging by your grammar I surmise you were also told not to go.

    Perhaps there were benefits to respecting the direction not to go.

    Perhaps. But the benefits would have to be weighed against the hardships resulting from that direction. Care to illuminate some of the hardships attached to the direction not to go?

    While it is true that there have been misplaced expectations, some feeling that "the end" would have come before now, I'm sure that whoever is still with JWs has updated their expectations, realizing that they serve Jehovah, not a date.

    Whoever is still with the JWs serves the Governing Body.

    JWs call themselves Christian but they can't even talk to Jesus. They can talk to the Governing Body, the Presiding Overseer, the Circuit Overseer, the District Overseer, the Zone Overseer, the Branch Overseer, but they can't talk with their King and High Priest (Hebrews 5-7)God has never had anything to do with that religion. No moreso than God was responsible for the Crusades.

    —AuldSoul

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    First things first, welcome to the Board. I hope your stay is a long and pleasant one

    I think its true to say that some folks do display venom (as opposed to justifiable upset), but I also think they forget that there's a human being at the other end of the wire and/or simply don't care. That having been said, its sometimes as a reaction to the way that some JWs act online. When others demonstrate an open disregard for your feelings, then there are few people who can show the restraint not to respond in kind! Sadly some try to get the punch in first...

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway

    A close look at the Bible shows that Jehovah's true people would be criticized, just as Jesus was. The criticism and the venom shown to JW's is, sad but true, part of what was foretold by Jesus and others. You mention that you had been studying with the JW's for a little over two years by this time, and felt that you probably would not end up being baptized because you're "sort of a coward." A coward doesn't stand up for what they know is right. That will be your choice, if it's true. What you say about the "academic environment where everyone there is pretty progressive minded", it may well be true, in the short term that you'd have greater legitimacy in their eyes if you told them you were an alien from Mars than if you told them you were a JW. It's just not what they think they can identify with, perhaps. Having a spouse who doesn't share your beliefs is, certainly a challenge. But Jehovah is a master with challenges. Love never fails. Either we choose to fear/respect Jehovah above others, or we choose to fear/respect others above Jehovah. Since Jehovah is everlasting, and the others may not be, the better choice seems clear enough. Sometime fearing something — such as the "anticipated toll on your marriage" — may not materialize in the way that we expect. We have the Bible assurances — that God is greater than our hearts, and that we will not be tempted beyond what we can bear. Which just means that we need to always trust that His way is better than anything we may have in mind right now. He is the God of love, after all.

    "Joining the Witnesses" is actually about "becoming united with Jehovah". He then helps a person to overcome their weaknesses. Help, of course, is a partnership, us as an individual and Him. "Faithful in little, ... faithful in much". We can perhaps always find what we're looking for — if we choose selfishness, relationships die; if we choose love, relationships flourish. If we choose love, it will give us the "guts" to support whomever we love — whether it be Jehovah, or otherwise. Your next paragraph is very candid: "All that said, I just don't understand the venom against them either. It seems to me that this vitriol could be some folks' way of justifying why they just don't want to be Witnesses. If you can convince yourself that the Witnesses are somehow bad and you can get others to support you, maybe it will mean that you're right and the Witnesses are wrong. I know how tempting that can be. I SO don't want the Witnesses to be "the truth," but I think they are. Think about some of the things that people get angry about: disfellowshipping, shunning, blood issue, going door to door, etc. All of these have a scriptural basis, no matter how much any of us wishes it didn't. The Witnesses aren't making this stuff up. The facts are that God does require much from us, and many of us are not prepared to meet those requirements because we don't want to give up the things in our life that make us so much a part of this world, something that the Bible tells us we shouldn't be. I don't know the specific scripture, but I know that in the Gospels somewhere Jesus says something like if anyone loves his own life more than he loves Jesus that person cannot be saved. These are the facts. We can't get angry at the Witnesses for pointing those out. What we choose to do with them is up to us. I hope that I'll one day not be such a coward, but I know that I'll be in a worse quagmire if I don't at least admit that the fault lies with me and not with the Witnesses."

    You expressed hope that you hadn't offended anyone. We always offend: either Jehovah and His team, or Satan and his. I wish you the best as your journey continues.

  • Fred E Hathaway
    Fred E Hathaway
    You mention that you have anger because your childhood was ruined by your mother becoming a JW. Ruined is a strong word.

    My point is perspective, which can easily lack love & respect, if weren't not guided by Jehovah's undeserved kindness, which the Apostle Paul mentioned so often in his letters, under divine inspiration.

    Then you mention that you didn't go to college as a young person because you were raised [to become] a JW and was told not to go.

    While some may judge by my grammar and surmise that I was also told not to go, that would not be the truth. It is a conscience matter, after all. I was already away from home when I became a Witness.

    Perhaps there were benefits to respecting the direction not to go.

    It is always true that benefits have to be weighed against the sacrifices resulting from whichever direction. There are always consequences, for sure. We can't ever have it both ways. Not really. We either choose Jehovah's way or Satan's.

    While it is true that there have been misplaced expectations, some feeling that "the end" would have come before now, I'm sure that whoever is still with JWs has updated their expectations, realizing that they serve Jehovah, not a date.

    While some may say that whoever is still with the JWs serves the Governing Body, the Holy Scriptures remain true. All, even Satan, have answered to and will answer to Jehovah, whoever is alive.

    Some may say that JWs call themselves Christian but they can't even talk to Jesus. That's because Jehovah is the Hear of Prayer, and hasn't delegated this responsibility to any of His creation, not even His Son Jesus. If it served Jehovah's purpose that Jesus talk with individual humans today, we'd know from the Holy Scriptures themselves. We do know that Jesus does intercede for those who are part of his body, his congregation.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Fred:You're full of shyte. Can I sell you a cat?

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Fred,---Jehovah's Witnesses have cried wolf for over 125 years. Every generation from the day of Charles Russell on has been told by the Watchtower that Armageddon is just around the corner, dont worry about your career or even getting married, the time left is reduced. Children born and raised into the JW religion have been discouraged from furthering their education past high school, with the exception of the occasional reference to a trade school. I too was rebuked by my Dad and the Elders for wanting to get an education. i was told that Armageddon was so close, dont worry about your career or future, just put your trust in Jehovah's promise of a new world shortly to come. This is dangerous advice to give in todays highly competitive world. The JW religion manipulates people's lives to the point that they cant think for themselves or even provide decent living for their families. By the way Baptists are more hated than JW's ever were, if you want to see some venom just look around the newsmedia and you will see alot of Baptist bashing all around.------The JW religion is very destructive to the emotional development children and this is what I plan on exposing very shortly.

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    You said you don't have the "guts" to join them,,,,,,,,,maybe it's your inner voice,sense saying something is wrong!! Lots wrong there,,investigate to "whole" story/truth.

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