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By whos standards? Because I post some messages on this form only to have my charactor thorn up? I have like 30 posts yet you can Judge my mental state, that is brilliant, you should write a psycolody book or something.
Oh, I don't think you need a degree in psychology or to be Einstein to figure out someone who;
- admits to having previously felt terrible guilt about homosexual longings,
- who cannot refer to it in any positive way ("dark", "fooling around", "nasty"),
- who has only recently dared to overcome the social conditioning they grew up with and experiment with homosexually,
- and who reacts aggresively to anyone who doesn't validate his own world-view
... is clearly conflicted and in turmoil.
Pity YOU can't see it.
"your opinion at the moment is not really relevant to whether gay marriage is 'wrong or not'."
And your opinion, until you have actualy sucked a cock your pretty much are ill informed.
Oh pur-lease. That would be a bit kinky. Don't get me wrong; I don't think there is anything wrong with being gay. But I'm not gay. Having sex with a man would be like a gay guy having sex with a woman. Probably not the most of enjoyable activities.
"are plagued with guilt??"
I was in the past, I am far from it now. Dont you know how to read and understand what is the pasttence.
Oh, I do know how to read and understand. And I see exactly what all the other people see; a guy who is screaming out for help, who is so tightly wound that anyone even trying to reason with them gets lashed-out at. You are so in denial you have reached Lake Victoria... you're in deamazon. Of course, you're probably right and everyone else, even gay people who've commented on this thread, are wrong. LOL.
"And why isn't it "natural"? Are you unaware of the vast number of species which display homosexual activity,"
I am, and it is often due to enviromental stress(unnatural) or exploration(as I was saying).
Wrong wrong and wrong. Why not try and LEARN something? Which part of "the maintenance of stable pair-bonds" don't you understand? There are entire species to whom homosexual contact is a part of their natural life-cycle. But to claim homosexuality isn't 'normal' is just silly. Cutting your hair or eating cooked food isn't "normal". Anal sex isn't "normal", but a substancial minority of heterosexual couples do it with enthusiasm.
Its pretty much a mute point even in science, many species also eat their shit and others of their species. Does it make it natural for humans?
Please, make analogies that work. Eating shit, for a human, would damage health. Some animals have the digestive abilities to do it with impunity. There is precisely no reason why damage to health would automatically result from homosexuality.
"before you lecture someone about American attitudes you should demonstrate you have learnt about the rest of the world yourself."
Lived in 5 countrys mate.
Pity you managed to do so without overcoming your programmed, encultured loathing of a homosexual oriontation.
You might notice that Japan has made massive strides in the past few years as regards respecting human rights; for example, only fairly recently did material Europeans call 'child porn' become illegal in Japan. Was THAT Japanese idea of "normality" right? Obviously not, yet you assume its attitude toward homosexuality IS right without deep consideration of the issue (at least based on what you say).
Similarly, is it 'normal' that women still have a massive disadvantage due to their gender? Is that automatically right because it's a cultural attitude still prevalent in Japan?? Obviously not.
The fact that recognition of homosexuality as something of no major import is something that hasn't happened yet in Japan isn't that surprising though, for cultural and historical reasons. Gay sex was okay-ish if it was 'fooling around', but it couldn't damage the all important family. Now having and continuing a family is not seen as the sole goal in one's life, attitudes towards behaviour perceived as being 'anti-family' will change. It's like the heavier religious influence in the USA has retarded similar recogniton of homosexuality as no particular big deal. This relaxed attitude to the issue has already and is continuing to develop in Europe, where the environment is more secular and less partial to non-evidentary faith-based argument.
You are reaching, Japan is one that I am comfortable with, other cultures in asia also fit in with my view. But in the end I make up my own mind.
You really haven't convinced me your mind is your own to make up. It still seems immersed in your culture's attitudes, and to automatically assume they are right when the evidence points to the fact that, as with EVERY culture, Japan's attitudes towards what is and is not 'right' changes over time. Yet you don't know enough facts to debate the subject outside of parroting your cultural presumptions.
" Stop feeling so damn sorry for yourself and engage in the discussion."
I did engage in the discussion only to have my opinions raped. I guess I have learned my lesson. Right?
No, you didn't. You act like a drama queen (man, I'm not touching the stereotypes all over that one... because they are JUST stereotypes, but oh, the irony!!) because people disagree with you. The fact they do so for sound logical reasons and you bleat 'where I grew up people think it's bad' shows the relative validity of the opinons here.
I suggest you stop being so damn stroppy and talk to the people here who know FAR more than me about being gay. Maybe you'll learn something; I can vouch for the fact they are very very nice people indeed.
