Satanic Ritual Abuse

by Big Tex 88 Replies latest members private

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  Big Tex

  I am starting a new thread based on comments made on a thread I started some time ago regarding repressed memories. You can find it here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/8/53848/4.ashx

  WARNING: THIS POST DISCUSSES POTENTIALLY GRAPHIC EVENTS. THERE ARE TRIGGERS FOR VICTIMS OR SURVIVORS. DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER UNLESS YOU ARE IN A SAFE PLACE.

  I'm not a smart man and I don't know much about politics, computers, the Internet or much in general. But this is one subject I'll take on anyone, anywhere, anytime. I lived it. I went to hell and back for what I know. I have been reluctant to discuss this, but now I'm swallowing hard. So here goes:

  I just wanted to point out that there is danger in accepting all accounts of repressed memories.

  That is self-evident. There is danger is accepting all accounts of anything, be it repressed memories, evolution, or Jack the Ripper. What are the specific examples you are referring to? What danger are you talking about?

  There are many cases of injustice against innocent people who were falsely accused of abusing their children and others because of over-confidence in repressed memories.

  There are many cases of innocent people wrongly convicted and sent to prison. Does that voide the American justice system? Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I know of the one case in California, but does that mean the one mistake invalidates the entire theory? If so, you have a very stringent set of standards and one, that if applied equally to all phases of this life, would invalidate all that we accept as reality.

  There were several Satanic Ritual Abuses reported in the 80's, yet no evidence of such activity was ever found.

  Define. I myself have memories of very bizarre behaviors. I have never posted about them. In all candor I am a skeptic (I was born in Missour, so "show me") and I am very, very leery of fantastic stories. SRA is one of them. And yet, how do I explain the memories I have? I was there. No one implanted anything in my mind. What I "see" in my head comes from me and no one else. I'm curious. How do you explain it? Let's get down to brass tacks here.

  All my life I have had screaming night terrors, 2 or 3 times a week. When I was in therapy and seeing, (or remembering depending on your viewpoint) some horrors that I am loathe to talk about, those night terrors were every night. Somtimes 2 or 3 times every night. You want to know what I saw? I saw blood. I saw rituals. I saw inexplicable, extraordinary events that I have no explanation for even today. Now here's the rub. Was that real? Did it actually happen?

  I'll be honest: I don't know. For several years I did my imitation of Woodward and Bernstein and I turned up a helluva lot of information. But no one would confirm or deny any ritualistic memory. Except for my grandmother. During one interview she made a very cryptic and mysterious comment. What did she say?

  "They ran your father out of town."

  In 1966, my father owned the only grocery store in a small Missouri town. He also owned a meat locker. He grossed $50,000 a quarter. This town was literally owned by his father. There is, to this day, a street named in honor of my grandfather. My father grew up in the 1940's and 1950's in this town. He was popular, and had money. And yet he quite literally put the store and the meat locker up for sale. He lived in a $26,000 home and let the bank foreclose on it. He had another house by the lake, which was "assumed" by his wife's twin sister. He had a boat that I don't know what happened to. He put took what possessions he could fit into a U-Haul trailer and what he couldn't he left behind and moved to Texas to live in government subsidized apartments. Why?

  In 1989, Nina and I visted Cassville, the little town I was born in. We were followed. I'm not kidding. We were chased by a car following us throughout this town, until (like some bad episode of Starsky and Hutch) I lost him. Why were we followed? Who followed us?

  I visited the town's newspaper. The editor, not only remembered my father he remembered me. I was 4 years old when we moved. But when I talked to him, he was angry and refused to have anything to say.

  Fact: in 1961 my grandfather's store was burgularized. Two weeks later that store was gutted by fire. Two weeks after that, my grandfather was dead from a cerebral hemorraghe (sp).

  In 1966 my grandmother was worth over $300,000. My father committed her to a psychiatric hospital in a blundered attempt to gain control of her estate. He failed when the hospital took pity on her and let her call her attorney.

  "They ran your father out of town."

  Want to hear something creepy? All my life, when I doodled absent mindedly, I would always doodle the same things:
  

  the letter G http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/glossary/images/letter_g.jpg

  http://www.geocities.com/binarygraffiti/masonic/images/scgcolor.jpg

  

  5 Pointed Star, also known as the Circled Pentagram or Solomon's Seal http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4780/sa1999_1.gif

  I did not know what these things were until I began my research. I was stunned to find they were Masonic symbols. I had been doodling them all my life. My father is a ministerial servant in good standing today. He never resigned from Freemasonry.

  What does all this mean? In all honesty, I don't know. I have no proof for what I remember, and it is too horrific to say here. If it didn't happen, where did the images come from? What did my grandmother mean? Who ran my father out of town? Why was the editor of the newspaper still angry after 23 years?

  Does this mean that there are satantic rituals? No. I only know what I saw and went through. What it is exactly I am not sure. Are repressed memories possible? Yes.

  I think it is a tremendous mistake to dismiss something just because we have no personal knowledge. It is criminal to dismiss a psychological behavior with one wide brush stroke just because some over zealous and/or incompentent psychologists screwed with someone's mind.

  I've said too much, and I'll probably regret this whole thing in about 5 minutes. I'm going back to my little corner now.
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  cruzanheart

  I did not witness the abuse but I have witnessed Big Tex's involuntary reactions to his memories over the years and I am convinced they are genuine. Regretfully, I don't think we will ever know all of the details, and Big Tex and I love to SOLVE the mysteries we are handed, so that will be a thorn in our side and a perpetual nagging question. But I have no doubts that something really, really bad happened around him and to him when he was little.

  Nina
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  avishai

  I've worked w/ kids at work who were victims of SRA. The evidence of this happening was'nt from repressed memories, but police reports. It does happen. Usually not by members of anton laveys "Church of Satan" but by the idiots that turn the bible backwards etc. They should all be shot.
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  Lady Lee

  Hey BT you have 24 hours to edit if you change your mind.

  I ask that no one copies and pastes parts of your message into their post so if you do change your mind your words and choise will be respected

  I have worked with victims of SRA. They never went public or went to the police. I suspect (and could be wrong) but the real victims rarely tell anyone and spend a lifetime fighting their internal demons that result from this kind of abuse
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  cruzanheart

  "If you tell anyone about this, I'll kill you."

  "You will die before you're 30."

  Tell a child that often enough and they will believe it and live their lives accordingly. All of us victims of JW programming know well enough how easy it is to practice mind control even on adults, if you use the right persuasive techniques.

  Nina
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  rem

  I'm not denying that there may be isolated incidents of SRA, but I would have to believe that it is extremely rare. The point I was getting at is that in the 1980's reports of this type of abuse pretty much came from nowhere and escalated into witch hunts. Bad psychologists were to blame here as the cases were traced back to certain practitioners who used techniques that planted memories. Today we don't see SRA cases reported anymore (at least not at the frequency of the 1980's). Did the abuse just stop, or were most, if not all, of those cases false memory?

  People even to this day have had their reputations shot because of those false accusations, so naturally one would want to corroborate any memories - repressed or not - with other evidence to make sure what they remember actually happened.

  It looks as if you have done that, and I believe that you went through some horrible things. But were you abused in a Satanic Ritual? I don't know - I don't even really know what's involved in that type of scenario. Though it is extremely rare, there is a possibility you were involved in an isolated incident. I would not, though, use the overzealous witchunts of the 1980's as a guide as to what represents good evidence of this type of abuse.

  I am sorry for what you have gone through. I can't even imagine what it must be like.

  rem
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  avishai

  From what I read on the other post, your memories came back on their own, which happens, & not at the behest of a shrink or a hypnotist. This type of recovered memory is usually far more "valid" , as it has'nt been tainted by someone else, from the research that i've seen.
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  cruzanheart

  Today we don't see SRA cases reported anymore (at least not at the frequency of the 1980's). Did the abuse just stop, or were most, if not all, of those cases false memory?

  No, the subject just became unpopular. Granted, ONE case was proven to be false, at least in the eyes of a jury, and that gave all the people who want to continue their safe little lives with no distractions to say "well, see, it's ALL false." Just like the Witnesses when you tell them about child abuse in their organization.

  And the media moved on to the next popular topic. Child abuse in general was not talked about in the 1950's -- does that mean it didn't exist back then? I don't think so! The same with ritual abuse. Of course it's not talked about very much -- the victims are scared for their lives or are too little to understand what's going on. I don't think it's some grandly organized worldwide organization, but I do believe that the evil exists in a lot of different forms. I believe that all cases of SRA have some things in common, even if the different groups or individuals practice their little rituals differently.

  Nina
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  tyydyy

  Big Tex,

  Your story sounds very similar to a story of someone who went to the same cong. as my parents in Florida. Are you the same guy? Did you ever live in Central Florida? Do you know my parents? :)

  TimBridges
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  rem

  No, the subject just became unpopular. Granted, ONE case was proven to be false, at least in the eyes of a jury, and that gave all the people who want to continue their safe little lives with no distractions to say "well, see, it's ALL false." Just like the Witnesses when you tell them about child abuse in their organization.

  Even if this were true, which it is not, the burden of proof rests on those claiming that SRA happens. It is not my duty to disprove every possible case. Is there at least one case that has been proven beyond a doubt? Granted, I've only read a few books that touch on the subject, but I haven't seen any. Like I said before, it may happen in isolated incidents, but there is absolutely no evidence to support that there is a lot of this going on.

  I don't doubt that people have repressed memories and that triggers can bring these memories back. I just think caution should be used because scientists have shown the constructive nature of memory, how innacurate our memories really are, and how susceptible our memory is to being modified by outside influence. And this is just for normal memory - repressed memories may even be more susceptible to corrupting influences.

  rem