Satanic Ritual Abuse (page 2)

cruzanheart

Even if this were true, which it is not,

WHAT in particular are you saying is not true about the statements you quoted from my last post? That the subject became unpopular? That the case in California was proved false? That some people don't like to look at unpleasant topics? That the Witnesses don't deny the child abuse problem in their organization?

If I sound confrontational (and I don't get that way often) it's because I am very sensitive about the subject of child abuse and SRA, having lived through it vicariously with Big Tex, so I don't like to see the subject minimized or trivialized. I'm not saying that 1 in 5 adults practice ritual abuse -- I'm saying it DOES exist and probably on a greater scale than we're aware of because of the secrecy necessary to such groups. Good grief, surely you can see the parallels with the Watchtower Society! We only hear of a few child abuse cases from the media regarding them but you know for a fact from the posters on this board that the problem is more widespread than is portrayed by the press.

Nina

Big Tex

Even if this were true, which it is not, the burden of proof rests on those claiming that SRA happens. It is not my duty to disprove every possible case. Is there at least one case that has been proven beyond a doubt?

This is a list last updated in 1995. 18 total, 15 in the U.S., all convictions.

http://www.healingroads.org/ra_cases.html

tyydyy

No I've never lived in Florida. My abuse took place in Missouri and then we moved to Texas. I was born Scott Presley but I had my name legally changed in 1993 to Christopher Scott.

sphere

Thanks. I need that right now. This is a hard one for a lot of reasons, much harder than some of the other threads I've started.

I know how it might look and sound to a lot of people. This sort of thing is not fashionable. The pendulum which was too far in the 1980s has now swung too far back the other way.

avishai

Good point. I think that's what most people don't understand. There is not necessarily a worldwide conspiracy of underground satanists, but there are legitimate cases of ritualistic abuse that take place. It happens, it is hideous and most people don't like to look at it.

LL

Yeah I still might. I give this one a sphincter factor of 9.5 right now. This was not really a good idea. That's what I get for being so damned impulsive.

kgfreeperson

Chris, you have got to be one of the most courageous people on the board. To share this part of your life and expose yourself to any kind of comment at all is just incredibly brave. It is times like these that make us really wish for the magic wand to wave and make it all go away. You are definitely one of my heroes.

avishai

Good point. I think that's what most people don't understand. There is not necessarily a worldwide conspiracy of underground satanists, but there are legitimate cases of ritualistic abuse that take place. It happens, it is hideous and most people don't like to look at it.

Yeah, one kid I worked w/ was forced to watch as his parents tortured a transient, nearly to death. I saw all the records. Nothing in the media, though. I checked that too. Just because someone does'nt "hear" about something, does'nt mean it ain't so. Theres Millions of dubs that believe these cases are "all lies" as they have been told from the platform. I PERSONALLY know different. I've HEARD elders in more than one cong. say "we keep these things quiet"

Dogpatch

Hi Big Tex,

I wouldn't blame you for pulling th plug on this, just for your own peace of mind. :-))

I've heard many cases told of Satanic Ritual Abuse over the years, plus I live in Manhattan Beach, where a few years ago more money was spent on a daycare center abuse allegations than any other court case in history to my knowledge. I watched the news keenly and learned a few things on the side from it. (McMartin Preschool)

"Satanic" is a sensational word. Satanism of this type is very loosely defined, it can be someone who is a mental midget abusing kids and adding religious symbols to it just for appearances, or as a fetish. Most perpetrators do not even believe in a devil, it just has ritual and schlock value (a la Marilyn Manson).

From your previous post you seem quite positive you were abused sexually, and your relatives and connections seem to verify that. I believe you at any rate. Was it Satanic Ritual Abuse? So far you do not know for sure. There are simply some clues. Perhaps time will reveal more.

There are sick parents who work together to abuse their children. Obviously it gives most of them some kind of "high," like a drug, to do such. That's why they are almost never rehabilitated; they always have that desire. It would not surprise me that many of such would turn it into some sick dark ritual. A ritual can be very simple, or as complex as a church service.

You have been careful not to label yourself a victim of SRA so far. It may be better not to count yourself among them, just to avoid shocking others, which often has the results of them disbelieving everything you said. You are a victim of sexual abuse, and you were quite brave to share that.

Thank you for sharing, as we know from the stories on sexual abuse, there are many more out there, and you have helped to wake us up to that. May you have great peace in your life, my friend!

Some of the stories people have sent me are up at:

http://www.randytv.com/abuse.htm

Randy Watters

http://www.freeminds.org

Big Tex

Thanks Randy. You've been a voice of reason in the wilderness for ex-JWs.

You're right though, I have been careful. It's hard to believe yourself, at least it is for me. I was told I was a liar for most of my life and I guess there's still that remnant there. I'm also afraid there is still a bit of JW in me still that wants two eyewitnesses plus vidoetaped confessions.

I've also been careful too in that I haven't told most of what happened. I don't want to trigger someone else. That's why I started this thread rather than post in the previous thread. I wanted to put a warning at the top so no one accidently landed here.

I'll probably never know definitively exactly what happened. One of my therapists once told me that "something weird and bizarre happened. Accept that and don't worry about the details." That's all I've got and ultimately I suppose that's enough.

Cassiline

Rem

Questions for you. Is it the nature of SRA that makes you believe it could not happen or because cases have not been proved to have happened? I ask this for a reason. How many Jeffery Dalmer's would you expect to find in this world? How many parents who do unspeakable things to their children? When I read of these things the first reaction I have is; how? No way, this can't be true. But everything Jeffery Dalmer was accused of doing was true as far as I know perhaps more. His acts were some of the most vile and unimaginable I have read of, not to mention other serial killers, why not a vile "religion" who prey on the innocent and leave memories which haunt them a lifetime?

Why does the possibility of SRA seem so unreal to you?

((( Tex and Nina )))

They say not knowing is a bad thing, sometimes there are places we should not go I have found. I have gone there ( not SRA related) and now wish at times I did not know the truth.

Cassi

Euphemism

Piph is also a survivor of ritual abuse. I'm not going to tell her about this thread, but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea for her to read it. Frankly, the last thing she needs is to see people claiming that ritual abuse doesn't happen.

And no, rem, I'm not blaming you. I can understand that it would seem unbelievable. Piph and I have had a lot of conversations about it. Her memories are incomplete, and she recognizes that some of them are undoubtedly inaccurate. The real tell-tale signs are dreams, fetishes, phobias, and the like, which long pre-date the memories.

I believe that the proper clinical term is "ritual abuse." Adding the word 'satanic', I think, is what makes it sound so unbelievable to the ears of a modern skeptic. Whereas it is not, actually, an other-worldly phenomenon at all. It is a deeply, horribly human one.

BTW, Big Tex, I understand if you want to take back the thread. But personally, I think you're doing a wonderful and courageous thing in coming forward about this. It's what all survivors need.

talesin

here's a good reference book on the subject

Ritual abuse: what it is, why it happens, how to help, by Margaret Smith, Harper SanFransisco (pub), c1993.

rem: ignorance is bliss

((avi)) I'm glad you are there for those kids.

(((Big Tex & Nina)))

tal

Big Tex

Thanks Cassi and Euphemism.

Her memories are incomplete, and she recognizes that some of them are undoubtedly inaccurate. The real tell-tale signs are dreams, fetishes, phobias, and the like, which long pre-date the memories.

I understand completely. That's me, dreams and phobias mainly. To this day I still have a tough time sleeping with my bedroom door open. I can do it, but either I'll have nightmares or I sleep very lightly and I'm tense all night. There are some memories that I'm sure are wrong. I tend to think either they are symbolic or I've subconsciously used it to cover something more painful. But the thing that pervades all of them is this feeling of stark terror.

And see this is my main point with this whole thing. If all those memories are false, then what the hell causes so much terror? I'm not a fearful person by nature, so what did I see, or experience that terrified me so much.

I do think you're right though, that the more accurate description would be ritual abuse. I used the SRA title as a response to rem, not mocking or confrontational but just responding to a specific post. Truthfully I don't think satanic, or satanism had anything to do with what I saw. But it was ritualistic.

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