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Satanic Ritual Abuse
by Big Tex 88 Replies latest members private
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talesin
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Mac
Skeptic wrote: "It is part of the reason I am not "normal"."
Not normal..... I could not have put it more succinctly had I tried. Your last posts threatening physical harm towards an individual / individuals by means of your "sick friends' to those whom you feel have hurt your feelings is most disturbing and your editing of the posts in order to rewrite the history of your illness followed by a further editing by moderators wishing to maintain the illusion of propriety while excusing themselves from the responsibility to alert the innocent and allow you to continue on this board while banning others for uttering simple verboten profanities is most regrettable.....no, reprehensible! This prophylactic response in no way relieves them of their responsibility towards those on this board that look to them for protection and belies a laziness or indifference that is inexcusable.
This is not the first time you have called out your "sick friends" to serve as a tool of both intimidation for others while using them as a blanket to hide your own cowardice under! (I'm not going to hurt you...my sick friends are....I know where you live but, won't execute judgement myself.....I have sick friends that will do the dirty work))
I doubt that they are any more real than your perceived injustices but, if they are....they are certainly an endictment of your true personality by virtue of your choice to associate with and share with them....we are no better than the company we keep. You are the perfect personification of all things most pathetic....you have made it an art! How sad you are.
The response of some is that I'm trying to protect someone most dear to me....that is very true! But, whether dear to me or someone else or nooone at all.........NOONE ON THIS BOARD SHOULD BE PHYSICALLY THREATENED!!! AND NOONE POSING PHYSICAL DANGER, REAL OR IMPLIED, SHOUD BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN ON THIS BOARD!
mac, of the disgusted class!
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justhuman
The history of JW's are connected some how with SRA
We have lot of facts regarding it:
1.Subliminal messages in the WT magazines until today
2.Russell died on Halloweens Day...coinsidense?
3.He was burried under a pyramid and on the top of it the All seing eye a masonic symbol
4.All of the WT cult it is based on the Pyramids(occult,masonic) chronology system
5.The book "Angels and Women" the story of demon was promoted both by Russell and Booze Jo
6.Greber a priest that was a mentium and the WT have his bible traslation plus a book called "Communication with the Spirit World" written by him
All THIS ARE COINSIDENCE?
The answer is NO
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justhuman
The history of JW's are connected some how with SRA
We have lot of facts regarding it:
1.Subliminal messages in the WT magazines until today
2.Russell died on Halloweens Day...coinsidense?
3.He was burried under a pyramid and on the top of it the All seing eye a masonic symbol
4.All of the WT cult it is based on the Pyramids(occult,masonic) chronology system
5.The book "Angels and Women" the story of demon was promoted both by Russell and Booze Jo
6.Greber a priest that was a mentium and the WT have his bible translation plus a book called "Communication with the Spirit World" written by him
All THIS ARE COINSIDENCE?
The answer is NO
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Abaddon
Without a doubt children are sexually abused each day.
Some abusers tack on a little homebrewed Satanism to further intimidate their victims and decrease the chance of discovery. Functionally this is not SRA, as it is about as Satanic as Halloween. It is a lie, a ruse, a scam to decrease the chance of sexual abuse being discovered. But to the child, it's just terrifying.
However, people remembering being abducted by a UFO after being regressed is not proof of their abduction. Likewise, remembering SRA happening as a result of regression or similar methodology is not proof it happens. The people who have FMS believe that things happened to them just as strongly as those who REALLY had things happen to them. Belief is not the determinator here.
It is great that the taboo against even talkijng about child abuse has largely gone, as it is a protection to the children of our generation - if we use our heads and educate our kids the right way, we'll help protect them even more.
Obviously when taboos are lifeted, a wave of pent-up silence is released. But at the same time a wave of reports of something is not proof of a wave of something. If you look at, for example, UFO sightings, it's clear that the event's description is influenced by both news media AND entertainment media; the three most popular images of aliens are drawn from a movie, a TV series, and '50's pulp SF magazines (greys, reptiloids, and 'Venusians'). People are highly suggestable.
... and I think that that last post shows just why caution should be shown in these things.
cruzanheart:
I'd rather err on the side of believing the child or the memories of the adult and take a chance on harming innocent people until the truth is made known, rather than discount or minimize someone's account of what they remember. If the memories are true, the victim is already hurt and can be hurt worse by people saying it's false or didn't happen. If the memories are false, then there is the opportunity to prove that and help the person figure out why they feel the way they do.
So, someone may FEEL their life is ruined because of something that didn't happen, but's it's okay for them to REALLY ruin an inocent person's life? Thats something akin to burning witches; the people who burnt witches probably FELT that they were right, and using your logic, that made it okay to destroy someone's life with the cry of 'witch'?
That's not justice. The legal principle accepted is innocent until proven guilty, and it is a good one. People with such memories should first, as the method is notoriously unreliable, make every effort they can to get evidence to back it up.
And we should make sure that a kid knows enough about the facts of life to, well before the age of ten, know that adults who do things like THAT will say ANYTHING to scare them, but an adult and a kid doing THAT is WRONG, and the kid can TELL and BE SAFE.
If you have issues about the subject please read no further as it gets graphic
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Unfortunately most sex education programs are far to sqeamish to make kids feel that they have an absolute right to their own body and sexuality. How can you teach a kid what sexual touching is unless you are happy for them to know what sexual touching is? Is it better to let 8 year-olds know what masturbation is in school lessons so they know that that is PRIVATE, or better to pretend 8 year-olds are asexual?
I have an ex-gf who wouldn't have been abused if she'd just been told the facts of life earlier, but she was kept ignorant enough to think it was just a game...
My heart goes out to her, as it does to others who were abused
... although it wasn't a parent who abused her, as sometimes a parent is an abuser, we have to let the schools do this education. Which is better, being prudish because of our upbringing and religious beliefs or making kids safer?
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talesin
Abaddon
Functionally this is not SRA, as it is about as Satanic as Halloween. It is a lie, a ruse, a scam to decrease the chance of sexual abuse being discovered. But to the child, it's just terrifying.
This is just TOO true, these people are not Satan worshippers, they just operate under the guise of Satanism; from what I know most practicing occultists are not abusers. However, the posers use the rituals for terror tactics, and please don't kid yourself, this stuff really happens.
If you read the book I referenced earlier in this thread, it will give you a good idea of what really goes on with this stuff. It's not a 'personal account' by a 'survivor', but a clinical examination of mind control tactics and the results thereof. Children below the age of cognitive thinking are very malleable, and these 'cults' are experts in manipulation and torture. Many of them (the groups) are generational and therefore the 'grooming' starts at infancy.
I've been privileged to do some work professionally with a couple of escapees from one of these cults, and let me tell you, the threats (keep silent) do not stop once they leave. Many live in great fear of death and torture - I have WITNESSED THE THREATS, seen the effects, it's devasting. And very real.
As for people who make things up, a pox on them!!! They have only made it more difficult for those who have truly experienced these horrible tortures and are trying to speak out in spite of their fears.
respectfully,
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Abaddon
As for people who make things up, a pox on them!!!
One of the problems is that those who ARE making it up usually don't KNOW they are making it up...
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talesin
Abaddon,
Good point, thanks. I did not mean to cast aspersions on any who are innocent and sincere in this matter. Some are just confused/misled.
My apologies.
sincerely,
talesin
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Big Tex
Some abusers tack on a little homebrewed Satanism to further intimidate their victims and decrease the chance of discovery.
Interesting you mention this. It reminds me of something one of my therapists told me about what some offenders will do to help invalidate the children's claims of abuse. One offender took a small group of small children to a room in his house which he called "Hawaii". Then he took out a Mickey Mouse doll/puppet and had "Mickey" tell the children that if they told about the abuse they would die.
Much later after he was arrested, when the small children told about what happened, they said that they flew to Hawaii where Mickey Mouse threatened them. Naturally it made them appear as if they were making up the whole story.
In my own case, I'll never really know what role Satanism had to play. I do know I saw the inside of a Masonic lodge as well as some of their rituals. I'm open to the idea that I was duped and that there was no cult. However that does not answer all my questions (like who was following us in Missouri that day? who ran my family out of town, and why?). I'm not comfortable with FMS, for one reason that it is not a proven syndrome. Earlier in this thread I posted comments Lady Lee made about the origins of the people who originally advocated it.
Does that mean there are no such thing as incorrect memories? Of course not. But I do not buy into the False Memory Syndrome. I've read several of their articles and what they describe is not what I experienced. My father in law repressed his memories of Iwo Jima and the kamakizes. He recovered them in a psychiatric hospital in Hawaii 10 years later. If FMS is correct, then what he remembered wasn't true, and yet he was indeed there.
Likewise, remembering SRA happening as a result of regression or similar methodology is not proof it happens. The people who have FMS believe that things happened to them just as strongly as those who REALLY had things happen to them. Belief is not the determinator here.
By regression, do you mean hypnosis, or repressed memories? I did both, but the SRA/RA memories (images?) I have I came up with on my own. No one helped me there. I too would like a videotaped session of satanic sacrifice or some guy to step forward and say "Yep I'm the head satanist." as proof. But again, there have been convictions that I posted earlier in this thread. Avaishi talked of his own experience with abused children and that those cases were not reported to the media. I never said belief should be the determinant.
Having said that, I do not believe there is a nation wide Satanic conspiracy, nor do I believe there are large underground cults secretly abusing children. In all candor, I'm not sure what is exactly the nature of the phenomenon. If it's all a lie, where do the images come from? Why do so many abused people talk about it? Not being accusatory, just asking questions.