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  July 2014 WT cracks down on apostate debates and 'dance parties'

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the july 2014 study wt article titled "jehovah's people "renouce unrighteousness".

  par 9 and 10 .

  9. how did foolish and ignorant debates affect the early christian congregation?.

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  They've noticed that there are secret "in the closet" apostates in the congregation. Remember that study article for December 2013? Warnings against those who speculate. It's a crack down and rise in paranoia. I'm gonna hate it when this study comes out, I'll have to be more careful with what I say.

  I was also thinking, Paul lived in a time when christianity was still fresh, where there were men who knew the correct way to undsrstand the scriptures, from a biblical view. There were men who taught controversial doctrines but the apostles were still alive. Anyway, the point is that 2,000 years later, there are many religions who claim to be "the truth", believe that they teach the correct thing based on their interpretation of the scriptures. How are we suppose to figure out who's right and wrong? Without examining doctrines, scriptures, and looking at other points of view, it's all one sided. One teaching could be weak and false but you wouldn't know cause it's the only explanation given. No critical thinking.
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  Preaching to a Captive Audience in CostCutters!!

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i'm sitting in the waiting area, and there's this one lady getting one of those long procedures involving color, etc.

  so, as the stylist is working on her, i can overhear her preaching to her stylist about demons and immortality of the soul, from wt lit, using her ipad!

  she was talking about the topics, referencing the proof verse, and then asking the programmed questions!.

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  Hey Phizzy, now you can count that on your ex-jw time sheet and turn it in at the end of the month haha.

  In my mind, I think there are some people that get turned off when people preach to them or talk about their religion. By using "informal witnessing" too often it can turn people away.
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  2014 District Convention Releases

  by 4thgen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so what do you think will be the new releases this year?

  it seems from everything that has been happening that there will be a new and revised reasoning book to embrase all the new 'adjustments'.

  also, the proclaimers book has to revamped to take out all the things that honor russell or rutherford, after all they weren't annointed anyway.

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  There was already released two dvd's on their history released a few years ago But of course it fails to mention a lot. Reasoning book I'm sure will be revised sometime soon. Maybe they will do a revised book now since there's so much "new light" flooding in
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  Creative ways of counting field service time

  by 4thgen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there was a sister in my congregation that signed up to aux pioneer one month to put in 60 hours.

  we couldn't figure out why she was never at the arrangements, but yet she said she got in her time early in the month.

  we found out later that we wrote a letter that took her an hour.

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  One time the elder took our car group into a grocery store "looking" for people when really we went there for food and drinks.

  the letter idea was funny haha, way to cheat the time.
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  Is this new donation arrangement for real?

  by nugget in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just read a post on jwsurvey about the new donation arrangement.

  congregations are to pledge a monthly amount to be sent to the society to fund the building of assembly halls and kingdom halls.

  congregations who already have a loan from the society will no longer have to pay back the loan but the amount pledged should not be less than the current monthly repayments to the society.

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  This isn't new for some parts. they tested this method out back in sSeptember 2013 for LA county and other surrounding ones. Just in LA county, there are 72 needed kingdom halls. in the letter, they said that if this method worked, it would be spread onto other places so it was only a matter of time. Theres so much money needed to buy the lands and needed material. This means millions $$$. Somehow, they're soon to earn $375 million alone on selling property in Brooklyn, plus other buildings they haven't sold yet, plus the other Bethel real estates and properties in other countries they sold off and yet, can't have enough funds for the usual arrangements? They must be in some sort of financial crisis or getting prepared for a future one.
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  I survived a 3-hour manipulation session with 2 elderettes!

  by Faithful Witness in

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  i'm not sure how else to describe this meeting at my kitchen table.

  my elderette ("miss k") arrived with her friend in tow.

  i vaguely remember the 2nd lady ("miss w") from the times we went to the kh, but like miss k, we never really talked in depth.

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  Theses two ladies are all over the place! Just jumping around, leaping from one place to another. Don't let them get away with this Faithful and Discreet Slave question. Make them investigate it and have them give an "answer" cause apparently, they don't sound too certain about this. After all, you are the Bible study that they're suppose to convert, they should follow the way you feel most comfortable with, not the way they like it. Also, tell her that it's rude to interrupt or just point it out to her politely and stick to the main subject.

  The doctrines that reject hellfire, trinity, immortal soul are nothing unique to JWs, you can find these same beliefs in other religions, specifically ones that originate in Adventsim like Christadelphians, seventh day Adventists, Church of God, etc. By pointing out that others teach this, you can ask: if the Faithful and Discreet Slave, supposedly directed by Holy Spirit, provides these essential "bible truths", why do other religions which are not suppose to be true, teach it as well? It's good to remember that Charles Taze Russell had Adventist influences.

  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventism

  Theres this blog you can check out. It's a Christian guy who is having a study with and Elder. They discuss and debate different topics like new light and the FDS. It might give you some ideas on how to tackle them.

  http://blog.evidenceministries.org/discussing-new-light-with-a-jehovahs-witness-elder/

  http://blog.evidenceministries.org/discussing-the-authority-of-the-watchtower-with-a-jehovahs-witness-elder-part-1/
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  The Ray Franz Movie

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  been wanting to talk about this for a while... three years ago on this forum my friend cedars brought this up.

  let's do it!.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sykaxxpyos.

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  Good ideas here. Personally I see would see this more as a talking drama film. If the script is written well enough, this film would not just click with JWs and other religious members but people outside that realm. The whole concept of standing up against higher powers is something that attracts people. The story needs to show a connection to the audience, show who he is, progress and changes he makes in life. In my mind, the focus in the movie would be centered around his journey from reaching up the ranks to Governing Body member, to his discoveries, and finally the fall by being removed and later disfellowship. The climax would be around the "witch hunts" and of course feature other members who were affected by this like Edward Dunlap or Nestor and Toni Kuilan. There will need to be some creative liberty taken and add certain things for the sake of the movie, just to explain certain things others might not understand or to make the story more appealing. This is always done whenever a book is turned into a movie, it's necesary to adapt but without straying too far away. I think this story can work if done right.
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  How many members of our forum are there, and where are most from?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would love to know where most of our fellow forum members are from.... is there a way to compile a quick list?.

  for example, i would love to know how many live near me......

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  Some additional interesting information that I would like to know are age groups and male to female ratio. How many here are of older age and how many are the younger ones? Are there more younger people coming into this forum? Are there more females than males or vice versa? Just questions to think about.

  and to join in... California!
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  Is the U.N. preparing to attack Religion

  by confusedandalone in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  about 5 minutes ago i get an article emailed to me from my mother telling me that i need to find a way to get back to jehovah and his saving arm... she read an article in a reputable newspaper that all the friends are using to show that its not just jehovahs witnesses who see religion about to get attacked by the u.n.. it concludes with a link to the article and her desire for me to please read it in light of my recent situation.. .

  here is the article http://www.examiner.com/article/is-the-un-preparing-to-attack-religion.

  the writer bill underwood is a jehovah's witness.

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  Haha, fail! He's a JW so what he wrote is automatically biased. his articles and many commenters are JWs since they all show the Watchtower's point of view on issues and defend them.
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  Congregation Contributions

  by nolongerconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you guys remember when the congregation's monthly contribution report was read out loud in the service meeting?

  obviously, they don't do that anymore... does anyone here know why exactly they stopped reading the report publicly?.

  seems fishy to me.

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  They still read it at my congregation, sometimes I hear them say there's a deficit and they need funds for maintenance.