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  WT article on ''never have we said Jehovah has said"

  by Aussie Oz in

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  been going nuts looking for this.. i am sure i have read, and probably saved, a quote by them about not being false prophets but i am buggered if i can find it anywhere in search, google or my own pc.. can you help?.

  i think its 2009 but not sure, where they have the line 'never have we said ''jehovah has said'' when ...'.

  a link or pdf or scan or cut n paste, etc would be great!.

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  A Faders Guide to Field Service

  by pronomono in

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  as a fader, i'm working on a mental guide to field service.

  because most of this is a mental exercise realizing that your new knowledge, the mental side of things, is what makes it so hard to preach after learning ttatt.

  what presentations have you used in field service as a fader to preach the good news without preaching jw propaganda?.

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  As a fader, I'm working on a mental guide to field service. Because most of this is a mental exercise realizing that your new knowledge, the mental side of things, is what makes it so hard to preach after learning TTATT. I'm familiar with some of the tactics of avoidance - knocking lightly, walking slowly, working with someone that likes to take all the doors, etc. - but what happens if you actually meet someone and your conscience doesn't let you preach JW propaganda? You have to preach. But about what? Well, we have the Bible of course. That's what many can agree on, if we can base our presentations entirely on the Bible.

  As a new fader, I unfortunately don't have any. I'm too indoctrinated into throwing magazines into the householders hands. So can you help me out? What presentations have you used in field service as a fader to preach the good news without preaching JW propaganda?
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  I give up

  by KariOtt in

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  hubby is now giving 5 days a week to the cult.

  they see more of him while he is awake than i do.

  when he is home he is either sleeping or in his office on his computer.

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  I know I will never get him out... I am now having bad dreams that he wants to know about. Why should I tell him. All he will do is dismiss them along with my feelings, telling me they arn't real.

  How do you know unless you express yourself to him?

  I second what Ingimar and Daniel say. Talk to your husband. If anything, it will make you feel better and have less regrets about what you decide to do next. If you leave now, you will always wonder what could have happened if you just spoke up and told him about your issues, 100% open honesty, if you really feel it is reaching the point of no return. Who knows? Maybe you will win him over. It's not guaranteed, but it if you still love him, it is worth the effort. If he does not respond and you decide to pursue a life without him, you will have less regrets.

  Personally for me, when I started opening up to my wife about my JW issues, although it was painful and she said some hurtful things, it has opened the way for more candid communication. When I act certain ways at the KH, she has a better understanding of what I'm going through. She doesn't like it. Nor does she believe. In her mind, I think that if she waits this out I'll come back around. In my mind, I'm thinking she'll do the same. But now things are in the open, there is less tension in our marriage. We are more loving to each other. We cherish the time we have together.
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  Equilibrium

  by DS211 in

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  2. bible

  so im watching equilibrium and john preston (christian bale) is an officer who has to identify and kill or get rid of "sense offenders"-humans who stop taking medication to control their emotions.

  anyways at the beginning he goes and meets with the chancellor if the tetragrammaton....lol i was like "oh wow.

  i wonder if a witness wrote it" .

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  Excellent movie. You find references to religion in lots of stuff like this. I think writers put these types of references in, not based on what they believe, but to add a double or hidden meaning to their characters. Although I thoroughly enjoyed it, it is too violent for a witness. This reminds me of my favorite video game franchise, Final Fantasy. They use a lot of religious references, pagan and Christian, to add subtle meaning to characters and events. It's always fun to pick up on these cues, especially when they relate to some religious nutcase.
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  RBC

  by Gypsy Sam in

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  2. friends

  it's hard to believe it was only a little over a year ago i received my first official rbc assignment.

  i was so excited i posted about it on facebook, to many likes from my fellow jw friends.. fast forward to this year, learning ttatt and fading (last meeting was the memorial and special talk).. i've received my fourth email, in the past two months, asking for rbc help.. stifling urge to hit reply all, with a jwfacts and candace conti case web link.... isn't it amazing how much your life and worldview can change in 1 year?.

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  Gypsy, same here. TTATT changed my life immensely. It's only 6 months now for me, but it seems like eternity. I already feel freer, but having to be patient for those I love inside the org to awaken seems even longer than eternity. Best of luck to you.
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  How many of these books have your read?

  by Calebs Airplane in

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  Two. I've read both of Franz's books. They were a game-changer for me.

  SFPW, they were hardly propaganda and vicious lies. ISOCF started of like Franz was a grumpy old man, but the rest of the book was just as well written as CoC. They were point of view books that gave clear evidence as to why Franz maintained that view. While most JW books are point of view books as well, they are presented as absolute truth, until new absolute truth replaces it, that is. Franz never lied about the purpose of his books, that certain facts could be wrong based on his limited experience, or that he should believed. Instead he encouraged you to make your own opinions based of evidence you learn from not only his book, but both JW and secular information.
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  A question about shunning-your input appreciated

  by crazycate in

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  i have been inactive for 5 years now.

  lately i am being treated more and more as if i were disfellowshipped, which i am not.

  do any of you know of anything, in writing, that is encouraging members to curtail any and all association with former members who are no longer active?.

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  I haven't heard anything lately, but I quickly got the cold shoulder as I've become inactive over the past 6 months. There was a brief elders meeting right before I went inactive to see how the elders could help me re-qualify as a servant again. I told them I just needed more time. With that time I learned TTATT and started doing less and less. On paper, I have a few hours of informal witnessing, but honestly I'm inactive. The time I count, although real, wouldn't be considered time by a JW because although it's spiritual conversation, it's not JW propaganda.
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  How many Kingdom Halls have you went to in your lifetime?

  by Iamallcool in

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  for me, i think i went to 20 kingdom halls in my lifetime.

  just a guess.

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  I've been to about 15, give or take a few. I used to give outgoing talks, so I got around a bit. I do miss the days of giving talks at other congregations. I really enjoyed public speaking.
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  A little help from you Apostate friends.LOL

  by jam in

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  2. friends

  a posted a topic a few days ago about my ex-brother-law who came.

  by to visit me.

  well he called and he would love to hear why i am not.

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  Jam, I agree. It all comes down to the individual. The UN was a big one for me. I thought it was a downright lie. I even convinced myself that the letters and articles were fabricated by apostates to draw me away from Jehovah -- that is until I found official documentation from the UN on their website stating the dates that the WTBTS was a NGO member. After that the floodgates opened for me.

  We can only offer suggestions, but when it comes down to it, we have to tailor TTATT to the individual we are sharing it with.
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  this site sucks! its just a buncha athiest on soap boxes.

  by crossquestions6995 in

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  2. friends

  this site is not a healthy forum for discussion or healing.

  its an arena for jaded athiests to bash anything christian or god related.

  yes, i know the jw's lied to us about god and the truth.

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  Cross, I have to attest to the usefulness of this forum. JWN has helped me immensely. I'm still not entirely sure what I believe as far as God and such. But everyone on here has helped me to see that this is okay. We've been lied to so much in our lives that we can't sort it all out over night. In the past six months I've went from ministerial servant to doubting to atheist to sure of my doubts, back to belief in God and a whole host of other emotions. Learning the truth about the truth can make you feel like you are going crazy. The people here have helped me to cope. You should give us a chance.