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  Your Favorite 1970's Music Groups/ Singers/ Songs ?

  by flipper in

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  in the 1970's i was a teenager.

  i wasn't that big into disco- although i enjoyed kc and the sunshine band as well as earth, wind, and fire.

  but my really big love in music was always rock n' roll, blues , stuff like that !

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  Tower of Power- So Very Hard To Go ( loved the brass section)

  Steely Dan- Reelin' In The Years (Elliott Randalls' guitar lead was awsome)

  Grand Funk Railroad- Closer To Home (I feel they were too under-rated)
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  Territory in Beverly Hills/LA and Celebrities

  by nbernat in

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  fs in certain residential areas is quite limited due to 'restrictions' but somehow jehovah's spirit prevails and blesses!.

  pioneers on paper are quite common as are hefty donations to the society.. .

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  Aude is right, the hired help is all you'll find, maybe.

  I remember working in Atherton,CA in the 60's and came upon Shirely Temple Blacks' estate. Couldn't get past the gated driveway.

  You have better chances bumping into someone famous at the airport or a resturant.
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  The name "Jehovah's Witnesses" is NOT scriptural!

  by Nathan Natas in

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  it is not infrequently that jehovah's witnesses make the statement that the name of their organization is "scriptural.

  tony wills, in his book "a people for his name" makes an interesting point about the misrepresentation of that name as "scriptural" and the appropriateness of this name-change by the impostor "bible scholar" rutherford -.

  [rutherford] showed the need of a new name by such texts as the following:.

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  As I recall Isaiah 43:10 applied to a defunct religion, a nation rejected by God, guilty of Idolatry, man made rules and put their faith in their institutions and puffed up with their accumulated knowledge.

  Replaced by something called Christianity.

  Christians are under Jesus' admonition found at Acts 4:11 to be HIS witnesses to the most distant part of the earth.

  Self evident in retrospect unfortunately unpercieved as a youth immersed in the rhetoric from infancy.
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  Proof that WT literature is not needed...

  by The Last Nephilim in

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  2. bible

  i have recently come to fully appreciate what is stated at 2timothy 3:16, 17 (nwt).

  it clearly declares that nothing is needed outside of the bible in order for a person be be "fully competent" and "completely equipped" for "every good work".

  how can anyone, especially the wts, claim that the bible alone is not enough after reading these scriptures?

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  The WTBS has always functioned on the assumption that God's Word and Spirit are somehow inadequate and must be augmented with their spin using perhaps, most likely, undoubtly,surely, possibly in explaining bible events.

  I have always felt the Bible (2 Tim 3:16,17) which fully equips and the Spirit (John 16:13) which is said to lead us into all truth are also undermined by stating conjecture (revealed truths) as factual especially when making blanket statements, unverifiable such as Jesus 1914 arrival and their 1918 'appointment' as 2 examples.

  The leaders bear a heavier judgment in their self assumptions and demanding strict adherence and loyality at all costs for the appearance of an all knowing entity basking in 'divine favor' in a 'spiritual paradise'. This illusion has and continues quite addictive to many.
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  Question about the memorial

  by Amyfa in

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  as i am not a jw and never going to be one or study with one, can someone tell me what scripture they use to make everyone reject jesus.

  it just feels to me like something satanic worshippers would do, not something christians would do.

  it just seems so wrong to me

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  For years the society applied this passage to those that claim to be going to heaven. Then in the 1986 Watchtower 2/15 pg. 30-31 Conseqently 'added research' revealed that Jesus spoke those words a year before the last supper.

  'Logically', none hearing those words had any idea about an 'annual' celebration or literal symbols introduced at the passover a year later.

  Thus it would have a broader application and include the 'great crowd' in a symbolic way but in a different symbolic way in reference to the last supper.

  Make sense?
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  Is grace enough?

  by Kphoto in

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  2. beliefs

  hi again, debating again with my favorite jw and the issue of grace became a firestorm.

  my contention is that epesians 2:8-9 says it all but i get the arguement that "that's too easy" and shouldn't i have to do something.

  my point is if i earn it it's not grace.

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  And here I thought the plan of salvation was to dedicate oneself to Jehovah(insert scripture) as a pre-requisite to baptism(Acts 2:38), 'symbolize it' by water baptism and spend the rest of your life trying to 'live up' to that dedication.(following orders)

  That way,by guilt or association (grabbing a skirt) we might be his 'friend'. All because we were told we didn't have Christ's spirit, can't be his brother nor a child of God because we were born too late.

  It's all spelled out clearly in the bible.
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  All hail the "organisation"

  by jefferywhat in

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  this is just a rant from me today, something that i have noticed all my life, but now as an adult bugs me more.

  the org has become a quasi god, it has its own "approval" which was cemented in 1918 and as a jw you cant question it at any level, you can question individuals( casue they are imperfect) but the org is perfect, it is theocratic therefore ruled direct by jesus, any mistakes are our fault.

  the "society" is beyond reproach in the eyes of so many.

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  I agree with J.O. the ritualistic atmosphere where pre-selected answers to pre-selected questions cultivate the mindset that whatever is spoken from the stage

  is revered as sacred. I can't picture the apostles thanking God in their prayers for the 'provisions' from the 'slave'. I've even heard governing body members on stage

  refer to the FS as if they weren't even part of it. Talk about strange. I can't visualize Jesus saying to himself " I'll create a billion dollar publishing corporation for

  people to join and put their trust in for salvation". The arrangement to me seems so far removed from the first century example found in the NT.
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  Could U Please Cite Some Personal Interesting Observations About The Truth?

  by minimus in

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  for anyone that looks at this thread, could you write something either profound or simply interesting so as to make the reader see the truth about "the truth"?

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  Armaggedon is just around the corner, you will walk right into the new system of things, you will not have to taste death, if you obey us.

  Gen.3:4 sounds familiar?

  Here's one, if the salvation of humankind is dependant upon 'doing good' to Christs brothers' aka the FDS, then the 6 billion people on earth are doomed

  since most couldn't name one or even meet one. The blood of Christ is nullified,heaven forbid.

  Isaiah 43:10, the banner scripture for the Society, applied to a rebellious nation of a defunct religion rejected by God. And the modern day application?

  Allen
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  January 20, 1985 SUPER BOWL The Day Montana became Almighty God

  by Tired of the Hypocrisy in

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  2. experiences

  i was living up in federal way, wa back then.

  i remember that sunday afternoon meeting was memorable.

  not because the material was interesting, or even poignant.

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  I remember that game well, a former classmate of mine ,Carl Monroe scored the first touchdown for the 49er's. I was about a mile from Standford University and could hear the crowds cheer while watching the game on tv.
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  Is Active Disbelief a New Development?

  by metatron in

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  in decades past, i can't ever recall anyone who 'left the truth' , who openly believed it was false.. i knew lots of people who drifted away but none who actively proclaimed that what the organization.

  taught was false.

  usually, you would bump into them and they would say , "i know its the truth but.

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  Active disbelief? that was my M.I.L. about 30 years ago. She joined a group out in the San Francisco area called. "Christian Prophets of Jehovah". Megaphones

  at the conventions, disrupting bookstudy conductors. Quite a stir back then.

  From my observation at the local hall, I have not observed any open display of disbelief. What I have observed over the years is the loss of all the young people. Every teenager from the 90's had faded, or got disfellowshiped minus one, an elders son.

  The mike rovers consist of 60- 70 year old elders. More subtle yet blatantly observable is that there are 8 former pioneers,elders and ministerial servants that attend but no longer comment or go out in service. It is a strange sight to see 40 and 50 something year old former elders and ministerial servants sit and watch the old guys not only roving but answering most of the questions. There have been no teenagers at the hall for about ten years. 4 couples w/children now.

  It has gotten so bad that they recently recruited two pioneer couples in their early 30's to 'assist' the congregation. They have also been recruiting speakers from over 100 miles away and other states to fill in the talk schedule the past 6 months.