when we think of the governing body in brooklyn do others like myself automtically think of them as the faithful and discreet slave?
haven't we been taught that they run the organisation known as the watchtower and bible tract society?
now its looks like i personally may have been wrong.. is it run by a group of legal rofessionals.
Dear Maxee,
I used to be shy. No, really, I was! I was having this serious discussion with a car salesman I was working with about shyness and he kept saying, "I can't believe that you were shy." I kept talking about my shyness problem and he kept saying the same thing.
Finally, in exasperation, I said, "God damn it, I said I was a shy woman and I mean it!" Never could convince him - neither could I convince him I was a good JW. I don't know why.
Good to meet you!
ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.
i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?
" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.
Dear SolidSender,
Yes, in my opinion, Marion's comment was a put on. He's put us on before - and I've been snagged.
Marion's only saving grace is that his sarcastic quotes are better than mine, in my humble opinion.
am i a member of a cult?.
i found this quiz try it and let me know [url] http://www.omnimag.com/archives/mind_brain/cult/index.html[/url].
edited by - maxee on 15 june 2000 20:37:18
Hello, SolidSender,
Good to meet you. I would like to be in Hawaii, on the ocean. I was in the Midwest, and am currently in the hotter than Hell South.
And where would you like to be, where did you come from, and where are you now?
So many quizical questions!
"the greater the ignorance, the greater the dogmatism.
" --sir william.
osler .
A Ha!
"There are 869 different forms of lying but only one of them has been squarely forbidden: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." Mark Twain
"Perhaps the most revolting character that the United States ever produced was the Christian busines man." HL Mencken
Your turn, Zep!
am i a member of a cult?.
i found this quiz try it and let me know [url] http://www.omnimag.com/archives/mind_brain/cult/index.html[/url].
edited by - maxee on 15 june 2000 20:37:18
Hey, Maxee,
Tried your quiz - very interesting.
The most interesting is the quote by Donna -----,
which was saying that the persons who think they could never be indoctrinated into a cult because they are independent, and grounded, thinkers are the most likely candidates for cult indoctrination. Or something like that.
I think, like me, some JWs felt quite secure in their thinking abilities. We were almost smug in our awareness that we were right, and all others were wrong - and we could prove it from the Bible - unlike those poor smucks.
So whose the poor smuck now?
when we think of the governing body in brooklyn do others like myself automtically think of them as the faithful and discreet slave?
haven't we been taught that they run the organisation known as the watchtower and bible tract society?
now its looks like i personally may have been wrong.. is it run by a group of legal rofessionals.
Hey, Maxee,
Thanks for the clicks - interesting reading. Glad to visit with you in this forum. I see you're from Australia, what's your background?
You have a lot of information, have you been looking for awhile? Do you have a website?
waiting
i'm curious about the reasons for becoming a jw.
if you were raised a jw, were you pressured into baptism?
if you weren't raised a jw, what were the deciding factors?
Dear Katchoo,
We aren't supposed to say this, as we've been taught, but God Bless You! I hope your name stands for a sneeze now that I've said that....
I am the other resident-of-the-moment incest survivor and my daughter was molested by a ministerial servant in a cong. where I was friends with his family. My first husband also screwed around, took drugs, etc. I took anti-depressants for about 30 yrs, off and on. Panic attacks, etc. So, I'm familiar with your situation, as many others are also. Survivors are just a quiet group in general, until they're ready to talk.
Statutes of limitations are such necessary evils, I suppose. A lot of survivors run into it, that and no evidence. Therepy, with the right person, does wonders - just someone to talk to who will not judge you, nor tell you "you shouldn't feel that way." I had the priviledge of finding a good one (after 4 semi-good to lousy ones.)
Husbands can be our backbone when we find our mind and body won't support us during different times. You sound like you have a good one - give him a hug for me.
Anger is a natural - just learning to deal with it takes time and thinking. I'm glad you spoke up, would enjoy talking with you more. You're about the same age of my youngest child. I know what it's like to be the "parent" and also the "abused." Neither one is pleasant, trust me.
Take care.
what a sad bunch to spend all eternity with!!
doesn't anyone enjoy a little friendly competition?
hey, i don't know about you but i plan on doing something more with my free time in paradise than petting the lions.
Hey, guys,
I learned two computer games about 20 years ago, was good, they discontinued the games - never wanted to break my record.
"A true friend always stabs you in the front. Oscar Wilde
If I were either of you, I'd be careful of the other one of you.......
Edited by - waiting on 14 June 2000 22:52:48
ok frenchy, you asked for it you got it!.
my pet issue is the conscience thing.
just whos' conscience are they talking about when they us this phrase "it's a conscience issue"?.
Dear Marion,
I'll have you know that I am not a "quote freak."
I just have very little originality, thank you.
"Making fun of born-again Christians is like hunting dairy cows with a high-powered rifle and scope." PJ O'Rourke
There's one born again every minute." PJ O'Rourke
Do we have the same dog-eared book, Marion?
Edited by - waiting on 14 June 2000 22:30:20
i was over on the thread about the blood policy and got to thinking how easy it is to just accept a change and after awhile people even forget all about how important it was at one time.
if the society does change the blood policy how long will it be before it is just accepted, and brothers and siters don't even recall the previous stance on the issue?.
this got me thinking about the change in the 1914 generation.
That's exactly what happened to me! My husband and I were looking for answers in dealing with the Society's Service and Legal Dept. We hit a brick wall.
I finally decided to see if anyone had had a similar situation and what happened. I had never been on the Internet (except Martha Stewart's)
What happened??????? I just sat and read and talked with my husband. I read Crisis of Conscience and started really thinking. Reading and thinking - and it still doesn't make much sense.
The young people who are staying or growing up in the Truth do not know our history - only what we've told them. And we only tell them what the Society wants us to tell them.
We are just learning.
