Cold Steel, from what I have always understood, a child will have the same fate as his or her parents. If the parent's are righteous and JW, they and the children will survive Armageddon, if they are wicked ( aka myself) the children will perish along with the parents. Sick thinking no matter how the society tries to portray it. Can anyone cosign on this?
HereIgo
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The definition of a false prophet
by HereIgo inthe last time i spoke to my mother, who is a devout jw, she threatened me with typical jw scare tactics telling me how oh so close the end is and how me and my 2 young daughters will be slaughtered by god himself in armageddon.
knowing that this is just a scare tactic, i respectfully listened, then replied that the jw's have wrongfully predicted the end of the world three times and were incorrect, 1914, 1925, 1975. i asked doesn't that make them false prophets?
her response; " no, because the brothers are imperfect and jehovah knew their heart was in a sincere place.
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The definition of a false prophet
by HereIgo inthe last time i spoke to my mother, who is a devout jw, she threatened me with typical jw scare tactics telling me how oh so close the end is and how me and my 2 young daughters will be slaughtered by god himself in armageddon.
knowing that this is just a scare tactic, i respectfully listened, then replied that the jw's have wrongfully predicted the end of the world three times and were incorrect, 1914, 1925, 1975. i asked doesn't that make them false prophets?
her response; " no, because the brothers are imperfect and jehovah knew their heart was in a sincere place.
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The last time I spoke to my mother, who is a devout JW, she threatened me with typical JW scare tactics telling me how oh so close the end is and how me and my 2 young daughters will be slaughtered by God himself in Armageddon. Knowing that this is just a scare tactic, I respectfully listened, then replied that the JW's have wrongfully predicted the end of the world three times and were incorrect, 1914, 1925, 1975. I asked doesn't that make them false prophets? Her response; " No, because the brothers are imperfect and Jehovah knew their heart was in a sincere place. He revealed the truth to the brothers at the right time."I was speechless at this point because that response made zero sense to me. How could a perfect God be wrong three times? I replied just because a person says they are God's mouthpiece doesn't make it so. I could walk around saying I'm a millionaire all day long, doesn't mean its true as much as I'd like it to be. She then referred me to the elders for answers to my questions. I'm not interested. Anyway, didn't Jesus warn against such ones? Is not foretelling events that never happen in God's name not constitute false prophecy? Matthew 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
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Fading or Disassociating
by Saethydd inhello, i'm new here.. i'm a college student who has been raised in the "truth" for my entire life.
i was baptized at 10 years old, and looking back now i know i didn't fully grasp everything involved, for one thing i don't even recall ever going to jehovah in a special prayer to dedicate myself to him, but anyway that's the past and my focus is really on the present.
i'm currently pursuing an associates degree, but i find myself desiring to pursue a bachelors in my chosen field so that i may have a somewhat more secure future.
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HereIgo
Hello Saethydd, first of all welcome. I can relate to the example you mentioned about getting reinstated then fading. I personally was never DF so I can't relate to the reinstatement part, but I can relate to fading. I chose to fade and never look back. Hell, I'm sure by now half of my old congregation has forgot about me and I like it that way. There are a few though, mainly family members that are constantly telling me to come back to the "truth". So yes, if you pursue that route, expect that type of begging from your JW relatives. I noticed in your post that you still live at home with your parents. My only suggestion to you is be wise about your decision and don't do anything that would cause them to put you out of the house and cause financial strain. Play the game for as long as you can while you share the same roof, unless you are able to live on your own, then you will have more control over your life and fading will be much easier. Hope this helps.
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Jeremiah 10:23 - "...It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
by HereIgo ini have been accused recently of "trying to direct my own step" because of my questioning the org and refusing to come back to the "truth" for the past 6 years.
i personally still believe in god, i just doubt that he is behind the jw org, that's all.
why is that so hard for jw's to understand?
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I have been accused recently of "trying to direct my own step" because of my questioning the Org and refusing to come back to the "truth" for the past 6 years. I personally still believe in God, I just doubt that he is behind the JW org, that's all. Why is that so hard for jw's to understand? God does not = the org. Period. It dawned on me at that point just how powerful brainwashing is. One cannot even question the org without being accused of directing his own step. Doesn't the bible encourage us to challenge what we are learning? Anyone remember that scripture...thoughts?
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The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip
by pale.emperor inas im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.
guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).
guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.
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FOG = Fear, Obligation, Guilt. All of that basically sums up the watchtower mindset. I have loved ones that are still in and they feel guilt about not doing enough and afraid of Armageddon, wondering if they will die or not. I feel sorry for those ones, I used to be one. That is no way to live.
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Nice. Another KH sold to Babylon the great. I guess they deal with the world when it means making money.
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New member
by NinaCee ini did not see a newbs thread to introduce myself, so my apologies if i'm in the wrong place.
i was a 3rd generation born in witness for 30 years until i was disfellowshipped back in 2007 for making a mistake.
my entire life up until that point was based on and circled around the society, and even though at first i really enjoyed my freedom (i still do), the fact is that i'm still struggling with cognitive dissonance, resentment, and loneliness.. i miss my family all the time.
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HereIgo
Welcome Ninacee, most if not everyone here can relate to your feelings. I have been out now for about 6 years and will never go back for the same reasons you listed in your post. You have made the right decision, just continue to stay strong although you feel lonely, in time it will get better.
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My Mother reach out to me AGAIN!
by HereIgo inabout 3 weeks ago i created a thread due to my mom reaching out to me (we hadn't talked in over 2 years due to typical jw politics).
well, today she reached out again thought facebook messenger saying " i'm so sorry i hurt you my beautiful baby boy.
i'm hurting very much also.
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Hello all,
About 3 weeks ago I created a thread due to my mom reaching out to me (we hadn't talked in over 2 years due to typical JW politics). Well, today she reached out again thought facebook messenger saying " I'm so sorry I hurt you my beautiful baby boy. I'm hurting very much also. No matter what I love you, always remember that."
I asked why are you hurting?
She said " Because I love you, but our difference keep us apart"
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"They only will if you let them. Because I could be the most sinful person on planet earth and yet you would still talk to me if I was never baptized. But, because I made the decision to get baptized at age 16, barely old enough to drive, I am being responsible for it. At the end of the day, I believe we have to walk our own path and be responsible to God directly and I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is being accountable to imperfect men. Men, who I have seen say and do things that are not so Christian. Being "imperfect" is an excuse you can only use so far when you claim to be God's mouthpiece. I'm not the only one. I believe half of witness have doubts. The question is, who is afraid to speak up? Who is afraid to lose family? I've never been a follower."
She never responded back.
Did I come across too strong? Do you think what I said was thought provoking enough? Thoughts?
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Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?
by HereIgo ini remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.
when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.
i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.
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I agree, the ones that showed genuine kindness and compassion were ones that did not have titles or privileges. The ones that struggled to make the meetings and had real life problems. These ones always treated me the best and the ones I was most close to.
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JW's arrogant as f...?!
by Alostpuppydog inhas anybody else noticed that almost all the jdubs are super arrogant?
i mean even from just the basic ones to especially the elders and the overseers omg.
they act like they are so high and mighty that you should just worship them.
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HereIgo
oh yes, arrogance is part of JW life. I hate to say it but I was guilty of it at one point, I think most of us were. The org brainwashes you to think you are better than the world and if you have a position in the org, then you are better than some of the friends who don't have privileges. It's all about appearance as a jdub.