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  hello. pls help. getting married soon. afraid i won't be happy because wtbts said so.

  by seasickbumblebee in

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  alshello.

  i'm a practicing jw.

  finally decided to create an account to see whether you could all help me.. so i am engaged to this wonderful wonderful man and in three months time we'll be married.

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  I would think carefully about the bible account of Mary and Joseph. Although Mary had done nothing wrong, Joseph believed she had. He believed that she had been with another man. They were only engaged but to protect her he decided to secretly divorce her.

  Once he had been told by God in the dream that he was to marry her, he did just that. However other people would clearly have been able to deduce in time that Mary had become pregnant before they married. Would that have been a problem? No, under the Israelite law if a single, unengaged man and woman had sex with each other then the man was simply to give her parents a dowrie and take her as his wife. Under Israelite law a man and woman who were engaged were as good as married.

  Don't succumb to Watchtower laws. According to the bible, you have done nothing wrong.
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  Board of bitterness

  by 1009 in

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  2. beliefs

  i always was a critical jw, now df and agnost.

  but still this religion fascinates me.

  in my eyes most jw are very sincere, but dumb sheep.. this board is filled with ex-jw.

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  I'm not bitter. My family are JWs, my friends are JWs and I love them.

  Do I have the truth? No... I find the more questions you ask the more there are to follow.

  Do they have the truth? No! therein lies the problem... because they believe they do. Because they believe they have the truth it makes them very dogmatic and not open to any debate. You cannot question, you cannot doubt. if you do then you have to keep it secret.

  They proclaim the organisation as God's. His channel of communication by which means we gain our salvation. The bible tells us that Jesus Christ is our salvation. This poses a dilemma to me.

  Ultimately, I do not want a group of men in some other country telling me what I should do, think and say.
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  watchtower tones down apostate talk at august 3rd convention!

  by nowwhat? in

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  2. beliefs

  no mention of them being mentally diseased or using "lies" to deceive god's people, just that they are out to attract followers for themselves!.

  p.s.

  i was cringing at the thought of sitting for 3 1/2 hours for the afternoon session but fortunately my one kid got sick!!

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  If it's in the UK it might have something to do with the hate speech laws....
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  What do you Poms think about the Cricket now

  by barry in

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  we are 411 for 5 wickets now we won the toss and i think we are back.

  ' look out!

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  tornapart

  Weather is on England's side....
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  I had to control my laughter...

  by ILoveTTATT in

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  today at the meeting, during the prayer (to which i did not say "amen" to) the brother said "thank you for everything the faithful and discreet slave do for us.

  we know it is because they love us...".

  to which i had to really control my laughter cause i was about to burst out laughing... i just smiled, thankfully everyone else had their eyes closed and head down.... .

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  I've noticed it too recently at our KH... some mention is always made of the F&DS and how wonderful they are... Jesus gets stuck on at the end as an afterthought. I can never say amen to a prayer like that.
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  Petition in England: "Ban Jehovah's Witnesses!" - (HM Government)

  by Oubliette in

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  i stumbled upon this on a hungarian ex-jw blog.

  does anyone in the uk know anything about this?

  of course jws will just see this at "proof" that "the is near!

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  Did a google search for the name and came up with a teenager from Evesham who's into cooking and calls herself smoochiepuss..... of course it could be several different names and not the same person at all but just thought it was amusing.

  How can anyone write stuff like that and expect to be taken seriously?
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  7/15 WT- Insane, Far Fetched, Narcissistic "New Light " about the FDS

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this article has been discussed, re-hashed upside down in past threads.

  but there were at least 2 points i discovered in here that i felt were pertinent and important to bring out concerning the total control and narcissistic tendencies that these wt leaders possess on the governing body, i.e.

  alleged " faithful slave " .

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  "It is VITAL that WE RECOGNIZE the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD DEPEND on this channel." .....says the WT

  "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me."... says Jesus..... John 14:6

  "Those who make up the FAITHFUL SLAVE WILL GET this appointment when they receive their heavenly REWARD, becoming CO-RULERS with Christ. ".... says the WT

  "You know that the rulers of the nations lord it over them and the great men wield authority over them. This is not the way among you but whoever wants to become great among you must be your minister and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave".... says Jesus... Matt 20:25-27
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  Shocking talk from 2013 District Convention urges parents to shun disfellowshipped children

  by cedars in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yldwe_6jsu.

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  What was Jesus real attitude toward wrongdoers? His parable of the prodigal son was quite clear. The father in the parable didn't wait to find out his son's change of heart... whether he was 'repentant' or not. He didn't wait for his religious leader to tell him whether he could talk to his son or not. The father made his own choice and rushed out to meet his son and gathered him in his arms and laid on a feast for him. The opposite was true of the elder son who wanted nothing to do with his brother. Jesus condemned that self righteous attitude.

  They make Jesus say what he DIDN'T say... they put words in his mouth.
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  When the urge to hit back is stronger than the instruction not to

  by steve2 in

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  2. friends

  clearly, any jw apologist or jw friendly person who posts on this forum knows full well they are breaking their own organization's policies.

  everything else is mere detail.

  even before the send button is struck, the jw knows they are doing something the organization has told them not to do.

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  I still think they should actually be encouraged to post though. I've been watching a guy's youtube channel. It's very interesting as he started out like all JW apologists, refuting all the arguements thrown at them by ex JWs. His arguements came across as though he knew what he was talking about. He had a good handle on the bible. After a couple of years of this he suddenly had an epiphany and in his next video he's outside the KH with his letter of resignation. He becomes a full blown apostate now argueing on the other side of the fence.
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  What is your favorite bible scripture ...

  by Freethinking76 in

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  what is your favorite bible scripture that the jws have misinterpreted ?.

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  tornapart

  John 6:68... Peter says 'Lord, WHOM shall we go away to?' JWs say... 'WHERE shall we go away to?'