Londo111

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  Born Ins, How Did Your Parents Get "The Truth™"?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  born ins are in a unique position in that we never knew any other way of life.

  no birthdays, christmas and overly superstitious family just seemed normal.

  when my parents talked about their pre-jw life it seemed like they were talking about completely different people (actually, that's true, the cult had taken their real selves).. so i'd be interested in hearing how your parents were indoctrinated.. my dad.

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  Londo111

  My parents got it from their parents.
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  What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

  what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

  they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

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  I think a surprising percentage of JWs don't fill it out, because they are forgetful, or just confused by it.

  I was fine up until the complex DPA document that came out after 2000, and certain parts of blood were a "conscience matter" and certain procedures were as well. I couldn't figure out what my "conscience" was telling me about say albumin or cell salvage.

  I think many JWs were scratching their head as well. There were videos, brochures and so forth to inform our "conscience", but it was all too complex. I wanted them to give a definitive answer on what was okay and what was not.
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  Everything is Up for Grabs! So, who gets to decide?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  everything really is up for grabs.. our sense of "absolutes" is always under fire.

  we are taught to invest all of our belief in the very idea of something being true and absolute and constant.but--is that illusory?.

  examine how this works: jesus was tortured and murdered by hanging him on a cross.

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  Now that we are free to make up our own minds, rather than take in bad information, we can be on the right side of history. We can be ahead of our time, rather than holding to regressive mindsets that belong to more unenlightened times.
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  Sneezing in the presence of non-JWs

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. humour

  greetings, cold and allergy sufferers:.

  i'm in good health currently, but i do sneeze quite a bit, bringing down the rafters, as one sister exclaimed at the kh.

  apart from that, no jw ever acknowledged my clearing out .

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  Like toasting and beards, I could never figure out the prohibition on this, but still, I complied.
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  Doubling up on Circuit Overseers for Apostahunts?

  by Wakanda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my area i know of four congregations dissolved in one circuit, so that leaves eight weeks a year empty for that circuit overseer's calendar.

  dissolving congregations is happening more than in my area, so i believe we can assume other c.o.s have open time.

  it appears that c.o.s are visiting with a companion c.o.

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  Congregations are mostly being dissolved to re-org, consolidate Kingdom Halls, and sell any excess with proceeds going to Watchtower.
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  Why is Enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?

  by Ursula in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why is enoch referenced in the bible but his book omitted?.

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  Because there was no accepted cannon until the 3rd or 4th century, and the books that referenced the book of Enoch were written in the late 1st or early 2nd century.
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  JWs biggest problem is not doctrinal issues

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's biggest problems are associated with its lack of genuine love and concern for the rank& file.

  the average person doesn't need a food critic to tell them their hamburger is shit, in the same manner the average person can discern kindness and love.

  gbs fake love and concern is evident in the way head office deals with victims of sexual abuse by jw clergy.

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  Lack of love and Watchtower doctrine are part of the same ecosystem. The doctrine causes a lack of love. People act in ways they don’t want to, because they are convinced the doctrine is right.

  “I really don’t want to shun you, but Jehovah wants me to. How do I know that? Because the Bible says so. How do I know that interpretation of the Bible is the right one? First, we don’t interpret the Bible, but we kinda sort do, and because the Faithful Slave was appointed by Jesus in 1919 to help us understand the Bible. Oh, 1919? Well you see, Jesus came back invisibly in 1914 and a few years later appointed his Slave. Oh, 1914? Well you add 2520 years to 607 BC… So you see I have to shun you.”

  Although a lack of love caused great cognitive dissonance over the years, had I believed it was The Truth, I’d be sitting in the Kingdom Hall front row center and knocking on doors. I’d slog it out best I could. No matter the problems, I’d says, “Well, but it’s still the Truth.”

  In a way, it was lack of love, actually, seeing not just a lack of love, but the monstrous heart of the organization, that was the catalyst to finally six months afterward examine whether or not it was the Truth. But if I examined the teachings and merely came away with unclear whether or not it was, if the waters were too muddy, I’d still have hung in there. But as the evidence started rolling in, I no longer had doubts, but certainties. Of course, now I look back and see all their doctrine is nonsense upon nonsense and wonder why it took so long for me to figure it out.
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  New Instructions?

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i may have missed it, but i just heard from a local elder that there are "new" instructions for how the two one day assembly's are to be conducted and handled......fifty-nine pages worth.

  he said they will now all be put on the same as the regional conventions.

  did i miss that letter/orders from "mother"?

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  Conventions and assemblies are moneymakers.

  I thought that perhaps one day circuit assemblies would only be held one day a year, but then it was pointed out that the Watchtower would lose a huge stream of revenue.
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  New Instructions?

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i may have missed it, but i just heard from a local elder that there are "new" instructions for how the two one day assembly's are to be conducted and handled......fifty-nine pages worth.

  he said they will now all be put on the same as the regional conventions.

  did i miss that letter/orders from "mother"?

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  Londo111

  In a way, I suppose change is inevitable. In fact, one future day, circuit assemblies and the religion will be no more. In the meantime, things will be in flux.
  

  And lately, the rate of changes has increased as they seem to be rebranding. The floodgates have been released and it is not the same religion I grew up in. Who ever thought that the Theocratic Ministry School and Service Meeting would be thrown out the window and be turned into something else?

  I keep thinking now they've moved into their new HQ, they might feel comfortable enough to even drop a doctrinal bomb at this year's annual meeting.
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  New Instructions?

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i may have missed it, but i just heard from a local elder that there are "new" instructions for how the two one day assembly's are to be conducted and handled......fifty-nine pages worth.

  he said they will now all be put on the same as the regional conventions.

  did i miss that letter/orders from "mother"?

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  Londo111

  No matter what I'm still not attending.