I just listened to the recording. It's unbelievable how loony he sounds, really bizarre that we used to sit and think he was a good speaker. I didn't hear him give this one, but I heard him a number of times and can verify that it is FW Franz's voice. I would guess the time of the recording as the mid 60's.
dropoffyourkeylee
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C.T. Russel IS burried UNDER the pyramid
by FFtruther144 inrussel is burried under the pyramid.
according to none other than frederick franz himself, in his own words!.
i read some wt trolls on here trying to say that he is under the marker a few feet away.. that is not true.
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Additional BOE Letter: Please Be Advised that Further Direction Will Soon be Sent to the Bodies of Elders...
by TTATTelder indear brothers:.
we are writing as a follow-up to the letters dated january 24, 2014, and march 29, 2014,. to all congregations regarding the adjustments now underway to accelerate construction of king-.
dom halls and assembly halls.. .
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dropoffyourkeylee
Another part of this story is the elimination of a special donation box marked for "Kingdom Hall Construction". Until now the local KH (midwest US) had 4 separate donation boxes.
World Wide work
Local congregation
KH building fund
SW Ohio Assembly hall fund
Now there are only two, the WWW and Local boxes.
They have been sending 300-400 dollars every month to the SW Ohio Assembly hall fund after going though the 'pledge' process a couple of years ago. Now the box is gone and the money is gone too! No accountability. just gone.
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Guy Hollis Pierce. 1st marriage at age 21 to a Divorcee with children.
by LoisLane looking for Superman ingb member married at age 21 on march 28, 1956 in solano, california to eva daisylou mitchell from mendicino, california.
(1933 - 1990).. eva was divorced with children from winston wade phillips (1928 - 1999).. guy pierce and eva mitchell phillips pierce divorced march 1976 at lake, california.. one year later, guy pierce married penelope "penny" wong, who's married last name was souang.
she was divorced with children.. through 2 marriages, guy hollis pierce was step-father to 6 children who themselves had numerous children and grandchildren.. his mother's father, grundvig, was born in denmark but other than that, guy pierce has a mormon religious background with many relatives born in utah.. loislane.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I am more interested in his Mormon background. That has to be a first, for a governing body member to be a former Mormon. Hmmm
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Studies in the scriptures Divine plan of the ages full of "poems?"
by dogon ini got a copy of dpota and its full of lame poems.
has this ever been discussed before?
its just wierd, there are many poems through out the book.
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dropoffyourkeylee
Likewise, I don't recall any poems in the Studies in the Scriptures, and I have read all of them. I do recall an occasional poem in the Zion's Watchtower reprints pre-1916. Many of them were written by a lady with the last name of Seibert, if I remember correctly. Maybe some of the new republished editions have some poetry in the Studies.
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Curious change in December 15 Study Article
by Bobcat ini ran across a change between the printed edition of the december 15, 2013 wt study edition and the magazine as a pdf download from the jw.org website.. whether the change amounts to much, i'm not sure.
but it is curious.
the change is in paragraph 16 on page 15:.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I suggest that it simply a mistake. Every publicaction will have numerous edits before a final draft is approved. The differences between the print and the PDF are really not significant. It looks to me that one of the two was nothing more than a previous draft.
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Another elders kid goes down the tubes not to mention he is the monster of cleveland's nephew
by noni1974 inhttp://www.19actionnews.com/story/24591538/ariel-castros-nephew-indicted-in-kiddie-porn-case.
i knew him since he was a baby, i remember when he was born.
sad fact is he was a spoiled brat and never disciplined for anything.
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dropoffyourkeylee
As this Ariel Castro story has unfolded over the past year, it keeps getting crazier. We already knew that the mom was a jw, as was the sister Marisol and her husband Juan Alicea. There has been nothing yet to suggest that Castro was ever directly involved with JWs, but who knows what may come out of this insane family? Now we find out that the JW-raised nephew is a pervert too. Sick!
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I read a study about the WTS-Growth
by JWdaughter inand it said that based on their growth and such, that in 20 years(or by 2020) there would be 28 million jws.
any sign of imminent, widespread persecution that you all have noticed?
i keep hearing about kh's being built and remodeled, and how huge their conventions are.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I think the original poster corrected the years in that the study was predicting 28 million witnesses by 2090, and that the study is ten years old or more. 2090 is a long way away (at least a couple of those overlapping generations they keep talking about) and a lot can happen in the world in 77 years. If there are 7 million now, with a prediction of 28 million in 77 years, that implies a 1.8% growth rate. At the same time, the world population which is about 7 billion now, and lets assume a 1.1% world population growth rate (the figure given for 2012 in Wikipedia), in 77 years the world population would be about 16 billion.
Compounding makes the figures look scary, and the assumption of growth rate really makes a big difference when compounding over such a long period. If either the government opens up in China, or if cultural and religious attitutes change in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc, the 28 million could possibly happen. I find it doubtful though.
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Ok I need some advice on how to decline an elder's appointment....
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in the last 4 months my eyes have been opened to ttatt, my biggest issue is that the elders have been grooming me to appoint me as an elder.
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dropoffyourkeylee
I was asked to be a MS once, which I declined, then soon after that my service time started towards its eventual ZERO, where it is now. They never asked again.
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Yearbook Chart Re-posted - Math explained. Top 7 countries account for 50% growth
by Westenddave insorted from high to low.
net increase in publishers2013 ave. pubs2012 ave. pubsincrease/ decrease in publishersincrease in pubs cumulative.
% increase cumulative columnabcde =a-b mexico (g-31)777,429749,58527,84427,84417.47%legend united states of america (e-32)1,167,7231,156,15011,57339,41724.73%red: latin/spanish landscongo, dem.
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dropoffyourkeylee
As has been pointed out several times, the number of baptized people does not equate to the number of publishers. If all was well in JW land one would think the two numbers would be moving in the same direction, as indeed was the case up through the 90's when baptisms were numerous and growth in publishers was high. Now the situation is different and surely a source of consternation among the Witness leaders. The number of baptisms is low, and the ratio of baptisms to publishers is at or near an all time low. This is also what I have personally seen at assemblies (midwest US, English speaking) where there are typically between 1 and 6 baptized at circuit assemblies where in the past we would have seen 15 or so. But in spite of this there is still a growth in 'publishers', who may or may not be baptized, or who are inactives coaxed back into reporting time.
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circuit assembly in cleveland -the good, the bad, and the ugly
by nowwhat? inbrother cuei{?
] really cool and funny, feet planted firmly on the the ground.
the usual good council on how we can save alot of grief by applying bible principles, etc.
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dropoffyourkeylee
What was the CO's name?