i have a story to share about my calls to wt ny hq this past week.
i was quite surprised by the level of disinterest and lack of concern from the two contacts that i spoke to.
rather than jumping right in and sharing my experience - and perhaps "poisoning the well," i'd like to read experiences of others on this forum who had the urge or need to call the wt contact number.. btw - mine was not an apostate rant or overly critical of the wt and was presented in a friendly and helpful way.
Would you be surprised if a random local window cleaner in your town took heard your issue/problem and had little interests in your concerns and no answers? Why expect anything different JUST because they are a JW?
I learned much from realising how much I expected out of JW's and the reality of what I found.
I guess the question is, "What would a non God appointed, human organisation look like and feel like to interact with?" Bingo! So why the surprise at the nonchalance?
after almost 24 years in the school and doing it since i was nine years old, i officially resigned.
it has become increasingly difficult to prepare talks, especially with the new format for brothers.
i did not mind doing them; i actually put the time and effort into getting them out.
Redvip....
i used to say the same thing, then my first essay in University came back and I got slammed. I read it back some years later and it was like reading an advert not a paper.
Every single skill we learned was geared towards persuasion and avoidance, there are few ethical positions where this is valuble.
The two positives I have taken from the TMS is the ability to stand in front of people and do presentations etc now, without being debilitated by fear. The second is to simply know how to construct something you are communicating to others, I.e. Get them interested, inform them then leave them with something interesting.
after almost 24 years in the school and doing it since i was nine years old, i officially resigned.
it has become increasingly difficult to prepare talks, especially with the new format for brothers.
i did not mind doing them; i actually put the time and effort into getting them out.
Coming off the TMS was my first step. I did it on a real subconscious level too, I couldn't vocalise it coherently and I wasn't mentally 'out'....but I could just not 'teach' and instruct to 150 people on topics I no longer felt were watertight,
Next was ministry, for the exact same reasons.
Then It was a year of being questioned to death.
every jw is subconsciously taught to plough on with their message at any cost, including, ironically, the truth.. we all did it, we all defended our beliefs or partook in bible studies, where we made up an answer on the spot with the only motivation being to get past the question and back to the sales pitch, or back to the sanctioned questions, in their books.
something that bugs me to this day!
who is so controlling so as to even provide people with their own questions!!!.
Every JW is subconsciously taught to plough on with their message at any cost, including, ironically, the truth.
We all did it, we all defended our beliefs or partook in bible studies, where we made up an answer on the spot with the only motivation being to get past the question and back to the sales pitch, or back to the sanctioned questions, in their books. Something that bugs me to this day! Who is so controlling so as to even provide people with their own questions!!!
Here is a reminder of how bad it was..... (All his videos are fascinating)
my name is russ, i'm 40 years old, from the uk, and i left the jws nearly 5 years ago.
i've been a member of the yuku board throughout that time, so there are probably some on here who know me already.
there seems to be more activity over here at the moment, so i thought i'd pop in and say hi.i was raised as a jw, started questioning it when i was 16, but there was no internet back then (well, no www anyway) so i got sucked right in and got baptized when i was 18. auxiliary pioneered on and off for a couple of years, then became a ministerial servant.
Welcome Russ of Britain, sit down at the harth and enjoy some mead.
Now do tell us of your cult life.....bananas isn't it......
this really got to me today at the wt study.. i am not ashamed to admit, i am part of that "generation".. you get one role of the dice in this life, you got to take what you can now, in order to have a good quality life later.. i agree, we need to help and show love to our fellow man.
but, not when this becomes the priority above our own needs, wants and aspirations.. welcome to "generation me" wt, this is my time.. peace out..
There is not a species alive on earth who puts others before itself.
Dont spend too much time contemplating their garbage. Life advice from window cleaners isn't going to offer much.....
speaking as an ex window cleaner
"university and college campuses are notorious for bad behaviordrug and alcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, hazing, and the list goes on.
watchtower2005 oct 1 p.28.
having been to university and a jw..it made me think about their logic....... "jehovah's witness congregations are notorious for bad behavioralcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, domestic abuse, child abuse and the list goes on.
It's ridiculous,....besides how does marijuana, some sexy sexy times and a beer in any way compare to bowing down to the deity responsible for the mass slaughter of millions of humans.......in the fictional book of bible scaries. It is so back to front.
"university and college campuses are notorious for bad behaviordrug and alcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, hazing, and the list goes on.
watchtower2005 oct 1 p.28.
having been to university and a jw..it made me think about their logic....... "jehovah's witness congregations are notorious for bad behavioralcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, domestic abuse, child abuse and the list goes on.
"University and college campuses are notorious for bad behavior—drug and alcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, hazing, and the list goes on.” Watchtower2005 Oct 1 p.28
Having been to university and a JW..it made me think about their logic......
"Jehovah's Witness congregations are notorious for bad behavior—alcohol abuse, immorality, cheating, domestic abuse, child abuse and the list goes on.” Watchtower2005 Oct 1 p.28
i sincerely saw more alcoholism, domestic abuse, affairs and cheating and financial cheating amongst JW workers and JW bosses in congregations than in any higher education or even 'worldly' environment. Then we have to add the child abuse the deceitful literature, the scandals, the failed predictions and embarrassments.
What's left? The fake smiles and cult acquaintances?...... Bye....
i really think that he is.
not that it's a bad thing...
my ex husband and father of my daughter was never baptized but is still a believer in the wt.. a couple years ago we were talking about evolution ( which he does not believe in ) i brought up the subject of the neanderthals and how we all have their dna except africans ( the ones that never left africa ).
he said neanderthals are apes and not humans and jw's do not teach that they are humans.
i said i believe they do.. in the life- how did it get here book, under the sub heading " the human family "is says " neanderthal man....... was undoubtedly human.. his response was " they are just talking about what other people believe " ahhhhh .
Humans and Neanderthals are not the same no..... Neanderthals predate humans. Are they related? Yes. Closely? Yes. Again....
"The most likely explanation for this shared DNA is that a small number of Neanderthals interbred with the ancestors of today’s Europeans, Asians and New Guineans soon after they left Africa around 60,000 years ago."
Just as with languages, Latin is not English, but English has lots of Latin within it.
