No sex???
Whew!...Glad I bailed!
satinka
wait, speak to deborah first.. .
the upside of this approach is that deborah is a real woman and will be able to give you girls proper advice.. the downside is that you will either need to first find a top rate medium (shes been dead quite a while) or wait for rutherfords god to bring her back from the dead (which rutherford maintains will happen any day real soon now if not even before the convention ends).. you will easily recognise her as rutherford has thoughtfully printed a picture of her in the new and bang up to date children book.. unfortunately if you dont live in the usa you will need to telephone her, which thankfully has recently been invented.
expect to hang on the line a while as she will be very busy playing her agony aunt role for so many jws worldwide all seeking her advice, but rutherford says that it will be well worth the wait.. .
No sex???
Whew!...Glad I bailed!
satinka
4 years ago i posted a series of articles here.
i am always willing to share what i know and help people at the same time.. i feel honored when people say it has helped them as many of you have.
and in an odd way i suppoe it is an honor to have someone think what i write is good enough to post somewhere else.. but i want to know where it is going and what it is being used for and i want my name attached to it either as lady lee or lee marsh.. i just discovered that somebody named david_aaron_phillips took something i wrote along with over 500 pages of things other people wrote, put it altogether into one huge document and posted it on the web.
Hi Lady Lee,
I'm sorry to hear that your copyrights have been infringed upon.
Yes, I agree with other posters that there needs to be a clear statement on this forum about the reproduction of copyrighted and third party material. And if anyone reads the Posting Guidelines right below the Post a Reply box used to write posts, there are such guidelines.
5. Breaking the law
This includes libel, condoning illegal activity and contempt of court (comments which might affect the outcome of an approaching court case). You may post a small amount of third party material, but please help us to avoid breaching copyright by naming its author and publication. We are unable to investigate all third party material, so where possible, please provide a link instead.
Perhaps providing a link to the original material may have been preferable...?
satinka
i'm fully aware that this is a cult, and i was waiting for the social elements to kick in.
so far, i have just been doing the "bible study," discussing doctrine, etc.
however, recently one of the elders said he wants to get together with me to do other activities.
<---s-h-i-v-e-r-s RUN!!!
satinka
as a jw, i always believed that the outside world adored us.
i knew that many people didn't care for us, and didn't believe our teachings, but i thought our conduct was a "bright light" shining to the world.
from the stage, we heard endless stories of business people and other non-jws praising us because we were such nice people.
I felt very much like a "hated bird"as I had very few friends. Our family was very weird.
Maybe I still am a little ummmm...weird...
satinka
do you ever feel that way about your jw past?
maybe i need more time?
i know that it is a lie.
mamalove
I have been df'd since 2000. I have two kids who shun me --- and a grandchild that I never ever got to meet, born this past summer.
For me, being "out" is perhaps about self-respect. In my situation, I concluded I must ultimately be true to myself. I could not live a lie and stay "in."
Now, I feel pleased that I am df'd because that is what it took to get me to move on to a new life of my choosing --- a much healthier one.
I moved to a new province, far away from the prying eyes of family and old congregation members, where I felt constantly watched.
I journaled about my feelings, my losses, my sadness, the injustices I feel were done to me in the name of God and Christianity by the WT religion/cult.
My best advice is to trust yourself and your own growth process. I try not to let the opinions of others shape me. Best to be true to myself, I have concluded.
I have a blog. If you want to see it pm me. I feel that writing about it --- publicly --- is progress, like "coming out" To stay silent on the issue is to condone and enable disrespectful behavior. Most of my family knows I blog about the jws being an incredible excuse for a religion. It doesn't bother me anymore... Until I think about my kids and grandchild who I can't see. So I understand how you must be feeling, mamalove. Missing my kids won't make me go back, though. Trying to force me back "in" to see my kids feels too much like emotional blackmail. I won't allow that.
The forum is here for you and I, dear one. Vent all you want. Write books, fill journals and trust the healing process.
You are among friends,
Love,
satinka
first of all, let me say that i do think this excuse of a religion is on a downward spiral, which will only accelerate.. as a born in, i always read comments here about how dedicated and hard-line we are.
most of the born ins (who stayed) develop a casual attitude toward everything.
even if you believe it, hearing about armageddon, constantly, doesn't excite you as much when it's the 1,000th time you've heard it.
I agree, I don't see how such a religion could possibly survive in this day and age. Their cultish ways are becoming more clear every day.
Things could spiral downhill mighty fast for the WT.
satinka
guess cause i'm considered inactive?
well, he moved to a new hall and went to 1 meeting with him.
didn't even stay the whole time.
Hi Cognac,
I'm so sorry to hear things are tough between you and your hubby right now.
I agree with some of the other posters that your child's health and well-being is the priority here. Mental and emotional health. JW-ville churns out babies like an assembly-line. More indoctrinated-from-birth members. So sad.
Perhaps your hubby ratted out on you to score "loyalty" points with the elders..?
Where is his loyalty to his wife?
Oh yeah, I forgot, he's brainwashed...WT first. So sad.
My suggestion would be to take care of yourself and your child first, cognac
Love,
satinka
this might sound a little strange but i hope some of you might understand.. my 17 year old boy is hot and heavy with his jw girlfriend.
he told me the other day that they had talked about getting married an two or three years, how they want to travel the world before having kids etc.
i asked him where getting baptised fitted into this, as they will need to be baptised if they want a kh wedding.
Auzzie Oz, are you "in" or "out" of the cult?
The reason I ask is because if you are "out", once he gets married, he will be forced to shun you. Is this acceptable to him?
He is awfully young. What about the girl, is she 17, too? Do her parents know about their daughter's relationship with an unbaptised boy?
It is sad that young ones take their first relationships so seriously. They do tend to get awfully depressed when it ends suddenly, especially if they are talking marriage. And undoubtedly there will be pressure to marry from the elders. You know, they must "avoid fornication" at all costs. Keep the organization clean. No doubt you know the drill.
I figure it might be best to just be a good friend to him and be observant. "Be there" for him. Answer his questions when he asks them. It's nice to see that the two of you are communicating. He does seem to confide in you with his concerns. That sounds like a healthy father-son relationship to me.
I don't know how many 17-year old boys make it to the altar, without experimenting with at least a few dates with other women. Seems awfully restrictive with himself to think the first gal is "the one."
I'm a grandma, so maybe I have forgotten what it was like to be 17...maybe... But I wish only happiness for you --- and for your son, too. At the end of this "thing" it would be nice if you and he were still "family."
Let us know how it is going...
satinka
you all know he was in a terrible motor bike accident.broke every bone in his body.
was in hospital for ages.
unconscience ...his exwife nancy.
Hi Grace,
I have a copy of the Fifth Estate documentary (on VHS) about the Silent Lambs. It's very good in showing how really uncooperative and evasive the WT is when coming to dealing with the issue of child sexual abuse. I think the reason the tape didn't get very much publicity is because the JWs legal department got involved. The program was supposed to run in BC, but was pulled at the last minute...duh ...at least if my recollection is correct (I'm a grandma, too, ya know!) The WT legals like to threaten and intimidate, as I understand.
*Sorry about changing the topic*
Back to you, OOMPA! Get well soon!
satinka
many years ago 2 guys visited our kh on meeting night.they were from some "anti-cult" group.
can't remember the name exactly.
everyone ignored them after talking with them for more than 2 seconds and realizing their purpose.. not me, i really wanted to debate them.
Welcome, Red Piller!
It took a lot of guts for the "apostates" to enter the lions' den with their message of hope.
Posting threads on this forum is a great start for you and any of us who desire freedom.... I am grateful for this forum. It has been a lifesaver which enabled me to swim to safety out of the shark-infested waters of the Jehovah's Witnesses' organization.
Best of luck in your search for freedom!
satinka