A JW I occasionally converse with uses the phrase "higher critics" to mean those with an education or with expertise in a specific field whose research does not agree with or disproves the made up stuff from the Watchtower.
Posts by JuliG
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20JW Pejorative Use of Words to Belittle Others
by maputo95 ina comment to my jw friend on the definition of doctrine and how the wtbts uses the term 'doctrine' pejoratively and mockingly to describe ideas of the people of 'christiandom,' another derogatory word.
can anybody think of other words the jws use to attack people of other persuasions?.
"you have a misunderstood word on 'doctrines' as the bible is full of doctrine written by the men who authored the bible.. see definition of doctrine: a doctrine is a body of teaching and the bible contains a body of teaching.
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JW's say Worldly People are Better Off DEAD
by UnDisfellowshipped injehovah's witnesses and the "better off dead" doctrine.
for decades the official jw teaching was that "worldly people" (non-jws) would be "better off dead" because "the wages sin pays is death" and once you have died, you have paid for your sins, so then jehovah is free to resurrect you (as long as you had not committed the "unforgivable sin").. whereas, if you had not died and had remained a worldly "unbeliever" when armageddon arrived, jehovah would have destroyed you and doomed you to everlasting destruction in gehenna.. this "better off dead" doctrine never did make any sense to me.
why would jehovah resurrect you if you died the day before armageddon, but if you stayed alive until the next day you would be destroyed and doomed forever to the lake of fire?
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JuliG
is it true that only those Witnesses that make it through Armageddon will be allowed to be married and have sex, children, etc? Doesn't that make a class of humans that are eunichs in the new system? Kind of chilling when you think about it....
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What Makes You Happy???
by minimus ini figured that after reading the suicide thread through, we need a more positive thread.. so what makes you happy?
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JuliG
Family. Friends. Home. Love.
"Just living is not enough. One must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower".
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JuliG
As a human being, in a body that has to sleep and go to the bathroom and all that, no. I agree our human life spans are too short, though. We spend too much time being too young or too old.
I would like to live in a glorified body as apparently Jesus did after his resurrection - one that is outside the physical limits of our human flesh, yet able to enjoy human pleasures. I think to live in eternity one would have to live outside of the constraints of time and physics as we know them today.
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JuliG
The hardest part of aging for me ( I'm 55 ) is losing the people who were adults when I was a kid and that I adored growing up. This past year I've lost an aunt, an uncle, my grandmother, and three or four others are barely hanging on. Also, the first one of my generation, a cousin, died at 56 from cancer. Our (extended ) family went 35 years without a death, which is really unusual, but now we are losing a whole lot of people at once. Lots of trips to the hospital (today included) to visit loved ones. I try to be grateful for each day we have without losing someone but loss is such a difficult thing to reconcile. By the same token, I don't want to be the last one standing either! Death, I guess, is one of those things that is a part fo the life cycle, but it doesn't seem to make it any easier.
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When a JW calls at your door this month.......
by ozziepost in"do you think that the prayers of religious leaders or anyone else can bring about world peace?
this is a suggested presentation from the october issue of kingdom ministry.
as is usual for the wts publications, this question distorts the real story!
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JuliG
I think I will get some little stuffed lambs, make bows for their necks with the silentlambs website addy, and give them as gifts to my visitors.
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JWs Are the Cleanest People on Earth
by comforter inone benefit that jws get from being jehovah's people is the knowledge of good hygiene.
before i came to be a witness, i did not think it was important to brush my teeth thoroughly or wash under my arms real good and use deodarant.
i also tended to be a pack rat with a messy car.
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JuliG
As a child I often went with my aunts to clean the church for Sunday services. We'd spend the afternoon waxing the pews, cleaning the floors, polishing everything in sight. Then we would go get fresh flowers for the altar vases. They and other women in the church did this for years and as far as I know still do. Perhaps very large churches with many bathrooms, classrooms etc hire a cleaning service but from my experience smaller churches do it themselves. This was a Roman Catholic parish. Your "facts' on the Churches of Christendom are wrong. Not to mention that often Catholic churches among others have big kitchens where meals are prepared for the poor and elderly and anyone else who just needs food. All of that is done by the parishoners AND is cleaned up afterwards to sparkling cleanliness. When is the last time JWS messed up their hall for worldly people with no thought of any reward other than spiritual?
Also, who is going to run the soap factories in the New World to cleanse all those JW bodies? And that big mess right afterwards - someone better start trying to convert the workers at the SPic n' Span and Pine-Sol factories NOW!!!!! :)
Here's another question on cleanliness Comforter - will JWs in the New World Order need toilet paper? Will human biengs still produce excrement,which is after all from the imperfect digestion process? Where will toilet paper be manufactured? Will there be plumbers in the New World, and would anyone consider unclogging toilets paradise????
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What do you do for work and play?
by roybatty inim just wondering what kind of work people who post here do.
i believe amazing is a mechanical engineer (like me), xena is an office manager and you know washes windows.
and when youre not working, what does everyone do with their free time now that they dont have to knock on doors when the weekend rolls around.
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JuliG
I'm a horticulturalist, and supervise the development of an arboretum/display gardens at a college ( zone 6).
Hub and I just bought a house with mature gardens and even more mature interior, so I am busy creating my nest!! I should have stock in Lowes and Home Depot.
Also do a lot of family things with sibs, neices and nephews.
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I kinda feel out of tune with the board
by Kingpawn ini've read lots of the threads over the past months, and think i understand the board's "makeup" of people (and please correct me if i'm wrong).
if i'm right, i might have a hard time relating to what the rest of you have gone through.. i became a jw in 1979 or so, and spent more time studying to be one than being one.
i was df'ed a short time later, briefly went through an effort to rejoin, and called it off when my first child was born.
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JuliG
Hi Mark! I have never been a JW, but my life has been impacted by the org. My stepson was raised against my husband's wishes 'in the truth', after his biomom took him 2500 miles away. When she was disfellowshipped we became instant parents to a 12 yr old JW who had only learned bad things about wordly people, and was a real punk to boot. I had to learn about the org really quickly, and what I learned led me to do research into their belief system. I now do a little outreach and education on JW beliefs (since they bring them to the door and people do not have to seek them out to be influenced by them).
I don't post much, but I read a lot and really appreciate all of the work and research done by the individuals on this board. They are a great bunch!
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Do You Really Want Reform, Or...
by Francois in...do you want an end to the entire organization of jehovah's witnesses?.
i'm guessing there is so much money involved, we couldn't hope to see an end to them, but that's what needs to happen imho.
after all, jim and tammy faye bakker had lots of money associated with their church, and a theme park complete with hotels to boot and they're all gone.
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JuliG
I'm hoping for dismantling. Actually I've never seen a religious group that fits so many of the things Christ warned his followers against. I think they are antichrist. I see no hope for apositive outcome - once you change policy then there's doctrine to deal with.
Shut em down and let them be a curious footnote in religious history.