Yup, Watchtower proselytism (promoting religion) sure gives evangelism (promoting the liberating gospel message) a bad name.
Of course "evangelicals" often do the same.
Fernando
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Dilemma
by Gorbatchov ingorby and his lovely wife had during dinner a chat about watchtower hypocrisy.
she faded with me since 2007 and shows sometimes affection for the organization.. we talked about the gb and ray franz.. she asked me if she could read my ray franz books.. now i have a dilemma.
the books gave me a hard time in the '90.. i know the ray franz truth can hurt and shock her so much.
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Fernando
Hey Gorbatchov!
Personally I think reading ISoCF first may soften the blow.
Maybe you could suggest your wife read the article on "legalism" in the wt library first, and ask then her opinion?
It reads like a summary of ISoCF.
Maybe you could also ask your wife her thoughts on:
"Is legalism apostasy?"
"What is the opposite of legalism?"
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Where to go from here...
by Patrickday ini'm new around here, but i've been browsing the site the last few days in hopes of finding the answer to the situation i've been going through, so hopefully you can help me.
i met this girl in highschool, but never really spoke with her until about a year after i graduated.
she's three years younger (however it's legal where i'm from, don't fret) and still a teenager.
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Fernando
Welcome Vivere!
Thank you for sharing your powerful story.
You have a great way of explaining something that, although common in Watchtower land, is still a rather complex topic.
And I'm delighted it worked out for you end the end.
And saddened of course for the many who've known only misery.
Greetings
Fernando
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Where to go from here...
by Patrickday ini'm new around here, but i've been browsing the site the last few days in hopes of finding the answer to the situation i've been going through, so hopefully you can help me.
i met this girl in highschool, but never really spoke with her until about a year after i graduated.
she's three years younger (however it's legal where i'm from, don't fret) and still a teenager.
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Fernando
Welcome Patrickday!
It's great that you care enough about her and a potential relationship to investigate the Watchtower maze.
All up, it is very high risk.
Great advice above by other posters.
From my personal perspective, until you both are very clear, on where the honey (faith, spirituality, and the gospel) stops and the arsenic (religion) starts, you should not be making lifechanging decisions.
Maybe you could both agree that when this day arrives you will check in with each other again?
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It's raining GB
by sparrowdown inwhat would a gb calender look like?.
of course they may need to photoshop their faces on some fireman bodies, and.
there isn't enough of them for every month of the year, but would they go the "full monty".
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Fernando
Again, would someone stoop low enough, for a few minutes, to write them this great idea, pleading in their best sycophant language, that the sheeple would be delighted to daily look upon the mugs and bods of their favourite council of Popes?
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Governing Body Member Gets Cream Pie Smushed On Face While Giving Talk At Convention About The Need To Always Respect The Governing Body To Keep Jehovah Happy, Video
by frankiespeakin inif you do, or decide to do it please take a video and post it on utube.
call it 'sparlock's revenge'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxfupd89wxs.
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Fernando
Wasn't this exactly what made people realise Jeff Skilling, of Enron, was not God, and could actually be prosecuted and jailed for his crimes?
From the 2005 movie "The Smartest Guys in the Room".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/01/28/rise-and-fall-enron/
"June 21, 2001 - At an appearance in California, Jeff Skilling is hit in the face with a cream pie as Enron comes under fire for "profiteering" from the electricity crisis."
It worked once, and it can work again.
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This will be a GREAT organization!
by Kensho inwhen...... 1) we follow christ example not the gb.
2) stop df'ing those for challenging current or past doctrine and allow us to use our god given gift of reason and free wil.
sure kick out the scumbags even the lions club have rules for membership, but not those who just use their brains and consience.. 3) get rid of the nonsensical blood teaching that has cost the lives of thousands and beg god for forgiveness.
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Fernando
Except it is "organisation" that keeps getting in the way of "relationship".
As Bill Maher explained:
"I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no."
As Jesus explained:
(Matthew 7:22, 23, NWT) . . .Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! . . .
(John 17:3, RNWT) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
As Charles Taze Russell warned:
"Beware of organization. It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours." ( Concerning profitable meetings, Zion's Watch Tower, September 15, 1895 )
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How Accurate Is JWN In Your Opinion?
by minimus inwould you say this board gives accurate information, overall?
if someone started reading the comments here, do you think they would find this discussion board as accurate?.
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Fernando
To me that sounds a little like asking:
"how accurate is a community?"
or, "how accurate is the process of making sense of disturbing experiences?"
Of course I'm sure most posters try to be as accurate as possible within the confines of their ability when sharing and comparing their necessarily subjective experiences, in an effort to arrive at objective conclusions.
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Are there more child sex predators in fundamentalists sects like the Jehovah's Witnesses
by Watchtower-Free inis there any resource that shows a higher incidence of child abuse ?.
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Fernando
Religious fundamentalism and the attendant legalism and moralism have defined outcomes.
Polarisation.
Isolation.
Extremism.
Hypocrisy.
Self-righteousness (potentially malignant).
Ignorance (potentially militant).
Addiction.
Irrationality.
Blindness.
In these fertile circumstances extant bad and the capacity for bad are amplified dramatically.
Scientific studies would be great.
In the meantime a guru from Nazareth once said:
"Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that's wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons? You're hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You burnish the surface of your cups and bowls so they sparkle in the sun, while the insides are maggoty with your greed and gluttony. Stupid Pharisee! Scour the insides, and then the gleaming surface will mean something. You're hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You're like manicured grave plots, grass clipped and the flowers bright, but six feet down it's all rotting bones and worm-eaten flesh. People look at you and think you're saints, but beneath the skin you're total frauds." (Matt 23, Message Bible).
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She is Going to Talk to the Elders About My Questions...What Should I Expect?
by HeyThere inso one of my in-laws, a born in dub, started asking me questions about the issues i am having with the religion.
so i told her, rather carefully, how i discovered all the child pedophile cases, went over some of the case details, explained it is occurring all over the world, so isn't just some random misunderstanding, but is widespread hiding of child sex u all abuse.
she was horrified.
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Fernando
Great question and strategy Watchtower-Free.
BTW you can actually take a thirsty but hostile horse to the water and force water down its throat.
But it WILL vomit and HATE you.
And if the horse is a Pharisee, it may even give you the 'ship - the disfellowship that is.