PSacramento
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Who is the ruler of this world?
by PSacramento inok, so my mom sneaked a wt literature into my kids pack when they stayed at her home on tuesday, the one that says that satan is the ruler of this world.. so my little one sofia shows me and says, "see daddy, satan is ruling this world".. i take a look and read the literature and i tell me little one that, "no honey, while satan can and does try to influence us and succeds many times, god is all powerful and god gace to his son jesus, all the authority in heaven and on earth" and i showed her the passage from matthew.. a also told her that, why we must never forget that satan tempts us that he has no power over us, other then the power we give him, jesus is our lord and all power rests in him.. of course, today when i dropped her and her little sister at my mom's ( she likes them to come over on tuesday's and thursday's), she was ready to ask if i had read that pamphlet, which i said i did, and of course she replied how satan is the ruler of this system of things.. i countered that i know only one lord and that is the son of god jesus, and i know only one god and no one else rules above them and asked my mom where in the bible does it show jesus and god subject to satan.. as you can imagine, that went over well !!.
lmao !.
i bring this up because of the thread on john 12:31.. .
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GB Lineage question
by PSacramento inif the gb is the discreet and faitful slave, what are it's ties to the 1st or 2nd century christians?.
scripture shows that the apostles meet with elders ( distinguished from apostles) and the whole of the (local) congregation to reach a decision on important matters ( see acts and so forth, they don't show a "governing body" at all, but if we suspend judgement for a moment and give the benefit of the doubt that this was the eary version of a governing body, how does the wt traces its lineage back to them ?.
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Titus
by PSacramento intitus is part of what is reffered to as the "pastoral epistles" (1and 2 timothy and titus) and was written probably in the second century ( 100-150 ad) and, in the opinion of most scholars, not by paul but in "paul's name.. like the letters to timothy, titus may have been an original letter dictated by paul that had been "altered" to asnwer the questions and different doctrine views that wer ebeing voiced as paul's, at the time.. many scholars look at the differences in vocabulary, literary style, the situation of the apostle, and the theological charateristisc that seem to be moving towards the emerging "catholicisim", to base their view that paul did not write ( at least not completely) the pastoral epistles in they way they have been handed down.. that said, back to titus that has some interesting points that i would like to discuss:.
the writer says that god is our saviour, 1:3, and jesus is our saviour, 1:4 and goes one to repeat this in 3:4 ( god is saviour) and 3:6 ( jesus is saviour), the writer also adds the (controversial?
) passage of 2:13 - waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great god and saviour jesus christ (esv).. the writer seems to be holding fast to that god and jesus are/is our saviour, something that paul himself says in the contecxt of jesus is our saviour, for our salvation is through him, to god, but in a repetive mode, the writer seems to be either, contridicting himself or saying that both are or, in the early trinity sense perhaps, god and jesus are (singular) our saviour, they are one.. verse 2:13 can be interprested in two was, typically, that jesus is god and saviour or that the writer is reffereing to god and jesus.. the first view is typically trinitarian, the second is not (obviously) but the second interpretation has verse 14 to deal with:.
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Not Their Fault?
by PSacramento ina friend of mine say this, " if they had found the answers elsewhere, they wouldn't have turned to the jw's".. i recall my mother mentioning the samething to me when she became a jw, that they had the answers and that no one else did.. answers to questions that other religions just didn't have a "convincing" enought reply to.. of course i asked, "how do you know?
have you asked and researched?".
the answer typically comes back "well, er..yes..not really..or from what i was given by the wt...".
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Jehovah explained by WT
by PSacramento incan anyone confirm what i read on another website that the aid to bible undertsanding, 1971 pages 884-885, admit that the term jehovah is a combination of yhwh and the words adonia and elohim and that scholars generally favour "yahweh" as the correct pronunciation?.
is this correct?.
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Jesus's Divinity
by PSacramento injust to confrim, do jw's believe that jesus is divine?.
not that jesus is god, which they obviously don't believe, but that jesus is divine, with the divien qualities of his father?.
also, do jw's beleive or agree that, in the new covenant, jesus has the primary role that was god's in the old covenant?.
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The Last (Lord's) Supper
by PSacramento ini wanted to ask this question beacuse at the last memorial supper it caught my attention more than it ever did:.
why do some (not just the jw's) believe that judas did not partkae of the lord's supper, the bread and the wine?.
in the synoptic gospels of matt, mark and luke, there is nomention of judas being sent away, indeed in luke jesus says "behold the hand of the betrayer at the table with me".. while in john judas is sent away, he is sent after the supper, though it is not clear if this was the lord's supper since there is no mention of the the partaking of the wine and bread in john.. help would be greatly appreciated.. .