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allelsefails
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Should conscientious objectors to gay marriage be allowed?
by rebel8 inprevious, related thread: ny catholic church on new gay marriage law.
gay marriage is finally legal in my state.
let the next wave of ignorance begin!.
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Review and Comments on the New Elders Book
by MrDarkKnight ini recently completed an exhaustive review of an unofficial copy of the new elders manual.
my father, who is currently serving as an elder told me a friend of his in the service department told him it was on the internet so i eagerly looked for it and found it.
yes, i know it was a violation of copyright, but while at bethel i made copies of many technical manuals which is also a copy of copyright so the wts hypocrisy does not concern me.. i was appointed as an elder the year the pay attention book (manual replaced by this one) was released so i have very good working knowledge of the old book and could compare the two books.
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allelsefails
I was an elder for 6 years or so. I went to the supplementery school meeting where they changed the "Loose Conduct" rule. It amazed me even then that they could be that ridiculous. Loose Conduct can include viewing porn - if it is nasty porn - playboy is OK .... but girl on girl is a no-no...
The new book is pretty much the same. Here is the book fron the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" that gives elders the right to do evil things to their fellow Christians and blame it on someone else. Although if you ask the Elders are ONLY acting as a local congregation nothing from the branch influences them - legally. Lawsuit protection built in.
I personally had a Judicial committee that went like this - Elders: Do you accept that the FDS in MATT is the governing body? ME: Yep / Elders: We find you guilty of Apostasy, but since you are repentant you will will be privately reproved.
I never was repentant, I never admitted to being an Apostate, I still don't understand how that meeting happened the way it did. Tho I know you cannot appeal a private reproof only disfellowshipping is appealable. F***ing crazy.
Nothings changed...
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Saturdays piss me off...
by pubtruth inthanks to the watchtower... i have to deal with mother preparing herself for hall each and every saturday.
she makes it so blatantly obvious, and tends to put me down, on a sort of guilt trip.
even though she disagrees with certain doctrine she still holds on tight.... during the week she hums kingdom melodies.. only when i'm around... i need a damn job so i can move... just a small rant..
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allelsefails
I get the - don't you want to see your dead brother when he's resurrected -speach from my mother. Thank God I don't live with her. Peace to you man.
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Should conscientious objectors to gay marriage be allowed?
by rebel8 inprevious, related thread: ny catholic church on new gay marriage law.
gay marriage is finally legal in my state.
let the next wave of ignorance begin!.
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allelsefails
This is no different than an employee in a grocery store refusing to sell alcohol. Guess what - you can't be a cashier. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and to stand up for them. Also they should receive the consequences. If your job changes you either get a new job or you change.
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Why Some Cannot "See" that the Bible is NOT the Word of God
by AGuest into the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace.
some of you may have recently observed some discussions regarding what... or rather, who... the word of god is, truly.
in those and other threads, some participants weren't able to grasp the difference between discussion vs. contention... and defending their own faith... and love of god and christ... vs. ramming their [mis]assumptions as to the "vengeance of god"... down others' throats.
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allelsefails
Not to be on topic here about the bible ,,,, but..
I have long felt that Christians put an unreasonable demand on the Bible. They often say it is the Word of God, it is inspired, it is infallable. The scriptures themselves DO NOT MAKE THIS CLAIM. The opinion of one man writing a letter to his friend Timothy is the basis of this nonsense. I think Paul was a man trying to do his best, however he nowhere claims HIS writings are inspired scripture. Luke was writing a history that he had to gather from other sources hell - he told us he was NOT inspired. (Luke and Acts). The ONLY NT book that claims inspiration is Revelation..... a book written 60,70, 100 years after Christ died? In the very first Scripture list is was given the same place as the Apocalypse of Peter. (Muratorian fragment c. 100a.d.) In 100 they didn't HAVE a bible. "The Shepherd of Hermes" was a more accepted book than many they accept today.
For me the beleif goes - Creator provides spark of life and conciousness of man. Something the Genesis account represents VERY loosely. Beyond that - I think it is possible - even Likely that the law was from God or at least created under his influence. Thus the revealed god.
Was Jesus a heavenly personage transfered to human life or a man adopted to be THE son of God? Not sure - evidence is lacking. If Jesus spoke to me directly would I even know it? Would I go get medicated as a psychotic or would I think I was chosen? Not sure honestly.
Guess it is all part of the Journey but I would love some input Shelby.
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The Economics Thread
by sabastious injim has a job stacking boxes for a courier company.
frank has his own business selling lumber.
jim has a house project so he needs some lumber.
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allelsefails
The "system" gained $50 that is what happened. You can go chop down trees on land you own if you want or you can pay professionals to do it more efficiently. It is a society that works together. If Jim is a used car salesman and he sells a car to Frank and makes a $200 commission ......... that's capitalism. YOUR work, knowledge, training, ability, etc... all have value.
Without capitalism it is like 6 year old soccer - we don't keep score - everybody wins. Which really means nobody wins. I
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The Real Issues Facing former Jehovah's Witnesses
by AllTimeJeff inon internet forums such as these, it is to be expected that there will be people who want to save jw's.
esp from (thinking for) themselves.. however, the real dillema's facing an ex jw who leaves, whether on their own terms or being disfellowshipped are real and haven't changed.. .
lonliness, how to make friends, is a big issue.. fear, esp fear based on superstition, a fear of god and of the future that is not in any way based in proveable fact.. education, how to think and reason critically to avoid being taken advantage of is a big challenge.. love, sex, and how to navigate your way around all of that hot mess.. geez, yeah, forgot.
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allelsefails
Thanks. I sometimes forget what you said here, My JW training makes me want to debate every little point I can. My own personality lends itself to being an A-hole sometimes. The people on this site have been awesome. My experience is not as bad as many here, but it would be much more difficult without everybody here. Thanks again.
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Can't sleep... Feel so alone!
by Free!! insorry, i am just feeling alone and needed to vent..... i hate the fact that i allow jws to control me for so long and now i have no friends!
i mean, i do have a few, but at moments like this when my head is spinning like a thousand miles per hour, there is noone i can call and trust and talk to.... my friends all have their lives, and the few that i can call, i am afraid to do so... again, i know i said this before, but jw ruined my social skills... .
i want to scream!!!
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allelsefails
It is hard to feel an internet site makes you not alone. But here we are. all different - all the same.
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Never, ever posted to a site before-Scarec silly
by PaintedToeNail inhi, i'm scared to death writing this that i will be discovered and have major problems.
i had a good life being raised as a jw child.
many good memories of people, places and times.
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PTN -Welcome. Hopefully you can find some peace here.
My wife has accepted me after a few years of tension. I still go to some meetings, memorial, and convention, but she understands it is a Family thing for me not spiritual. I have never tried to change her mind about being a witness, but she asks me what I'm thinking and I tell her. What about 586? What about what Russell taught about Armageddon? 1874? 144,000? Most witnesses will admit they are not sure about many JW points if confronted with them, but it must be very subtle. Asking for advice on this forum is a great way to get started.
Peace to you
Allelsefails
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New to this site. Scared, Lonely and in a lot of pain due to shunning by my family.
by wonder*woman inthis is my very first post to this forum.
i am begging for some much needed encouragment and support by those who are kind hearted and know exactly the pain shunning causes.
i am a 30 year old former jehovah's witness and a mother of two beautiful girls.
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allelsefails
Welcome and thanks for posting. I am still in so no "shunning" officially, but since people know i'm not at meetings or whatever thay treat me very differently. Like I have some plague or something.
We understand and we accept you whatever you do or don't believe. We've been there done that in the pain department.