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  my mom would rather have died than get hepititis

  by Younglove1999 in

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  so last week my mother arrived early to baby sit while i was getting ready for work.

  we started chatting and she mentioned the wt for that week and how it was about children- well it just so happens i actually read that article here on jwd so i actualy knew what she was talking about and even marked it up with my own comments should i ever have the chance to express them.

  so i'm fired up and i say to my mom "if your mom was a jw you really wouldn't be here because you would have died without that blood transfusion" .

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  Younglove1999

  People like them enable cults to thive...BTW I loved my Mum as much as you do yours and mean no disrespect, but you can just see this in people

  I completely agree- it's sad
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  Will this Christmas be your first one?

  by lfcviking in

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  ok so its only october so maybe this is a bit early.

  but for me this is my 2nd year out of the org and i am looking forward to celebrating it again this year just like last year.. isn't it geat that we can join in with this celebration with the rest of the participating world!.

  and no guilt feelings of being involved in a pagan celebration, over-indulging a bit, getting drunk a bit and enjoying yourself.. will this year's christmas be a first one for some people here since they have left the org?.

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  It'll be the first one for my husband and myself and the first for my 7 month old baby, so we're really excited.

  We're going to try to keep it low-key since we're not ready to deal with the drama of my JW mom (who babysits for us) coming over and finding our X-Mas tree set up. At some point, we'll have to bite the bullet, but not this year.
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  my mom would rather have died than get hepititis

  by Younglove1999 in

  1. jw
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  so last week my mother arrived early to baby sit while i was getting ready for work.

  we started chatting and she mentioned the wt for that week and how it was about children- well it just so happens i actually read that article here on jwd so i actualy knew what she was talking about and even marked it up with my own comments should i ever have the chance to express them.

  so i'm fired up and i say to my mom "if your mom was a jw you really wouldn't be here because you would have died without that blood transfusion" .

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  Younglove1999

  So last week my mother arrived early to baby sit while I was getting ready for work. We started chatting and she mentioned the WT for that week and how it was about children- well it just so happens I actually read that article here on JWD so I actualy knew what she was talking about and even marked it up with my own comments should I ever have the chance to express them. Well, the chance was here! I didn't want to be harsh or overly opinionated since i didn't want to raise any "apostate flags" , but she basically said she felt bad because there were things the article mentioned parents should do that she didn't. So I told her that she should never feel like she failed as a parent because she didn't do something the WT said. I praised her parenting skills and told her she has three wonderful, intelligent, successful kids, but because they're not JW she feels like she's failed and she should never feel that way. I told her that she raised us to be thinkers and not let people take advantage of us and because we researched things about JW's, we were all labeled as bad and that's not true. Nobody is bad- she isn't and we're not. So she was feeling a little better (I love that I turned the tables on that one! :) :) ) about her parenting skills but still wanted to "preach" about the other points she learned, which I had a response to.

  Well eventually it turned into me telling her why I stopped going to meetings and how frurstrated I was that because I merely had confusions or questions that couldn't be answered, I was labeled an apostate (this actually didn't happen, but I know it would if I was honest with everyone, but I figure, hey maybe mom will feel bad for me right?) well she assured me that it wasn't true so I asked her how the WTS knows for a fact that we can't take blood- 20 years ago we couldn't take anything and now we can take fractions and what if it changes again? I wasn't going to sacrifice my life or my child's life on some imperfect opinion that may change. Well then she started getting definsive- some of the questions I asked she couldn't answer because she wasn't "highly educated", to which I told her that she should never underestimate her intelligence becuase God wants all people to understand him clearly regardless of their educational level- I assured her that she was smart and that a lot of "highly educated" people were very confused and that the 'rules' and teachings of the WTS ARE confusing and misleading. She wouldn't buy it. it got ugly, she retorted "ok, so are you talking against the JW's? because I could leave now and not come back" (oy!) Then she said "if it wasn't for the JW's, I wouldn't be here!"

  So at this point, I was fired up-

  Side note: she was born 8 weeks premature- she was a twin and her twin died- my mom needed a blood transfusion- since my grandmother was not a JW, it wasn't a problem. My mom had a blood transfusion when she was a newborn and it saved her life. My grandmother studied with JW's shortly after that and once she found out they banned blood transfusions, she stopped studying with her. She believed in her heart had she followed that "rule", she wouldn't have her daughter. (Smart woman)

  **end of side note story**

  So I'm fired up and I say to my mom "if YOUR mom was a JW you really wouldn't be here because you would have died without that blood transfusion"

  her response: "yeah but I got Hepititis, so it wasn't a good thing" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  So I reply: so you would rather have died than get Hepititis (it was A btw-)??

  Mom's response: if I didn't get the blood transfusion, JH would have taken care of me and made sure I survived because his law was being followed

  my response: "so what about those JW kids who DID die? Did JH not care about them? He picks and chooses who lives and who dies even though both are following his law?"

  Then my mom got flustered and couldn't respond. I could tell she was really freaking out and I had said enough.

  So I just said to her that I appreciate that she let me express myself since the WT from that weekend encouraged parents to let their kids do that, so she was doing a good thing. I also said that I just get upset when I see her doubting her self as a parent and her intelligence because she's a wonderful mother and I don't want her reading a WT and second guessing herself- and that I think she's very smart- etc. etc. She felt much better and although I had to fan the flames out at the end with all the "fancy love talk", she at least is beginning to understand where I'm coming from.

  I just can't get over that comment she made about blood transfusions. It was just so bizarre and illogical!
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  Birthdays

  by sacrebleu in

  1. jw
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  have any of you noticed how birthdays make you feel?

  mine is ignored by my jw sister but when she turned 60 she called me the day before, the day and the day after wanting some kind of recognition.. why should i acknowledge hers when she ignores mine.

  it does feel lonesome when the day comes and goes without a call or anything from the jw relatives.. i should be thankful that my hubby and children are not and have never been mixed up in that junk, but my sister is older than me and when i was born and she was so happy to have a little sister.

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  Growing up a JW, my parents thankfully acknowledged my birthday every year with a little "hey, this time X years ago you were born!" my dad especially got excited over it-

  I remember when I studied with a co-worker trying to explain to her why birthdays were bad and how she could still give a gift to her kid on a different day, but not their birthday- I didn't get very far- I seriously couldn't give a legitimate argument. Conducting a bible study actually cemented the fact that this JW stuff was BS-
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  What would JW's say to themselves if you showed up at a meeting?

  by JH in

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  if i showed up at a meeting, they would say to themselves, "i give him a month, and he will be gone again"

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  Hmm. I haven't thought about what they might say about me-

  However, I do know what I would say to them- especially those "friends" who haven't spoken to me since I told them I was confused. I know they'd see me at the meeting and come up and try to be all nice and lovey, and I hope, if I ever make it to a meeting again, to have the guts to tell them to not even bother even coming up to me with those fake smiles because I don't wish to talk to them. That's right, I'm shunning them back-

  But I have no idea why I would ever fathom going back to a meeting except to show off my little girl.
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  So here's something crazy

  by Younglove1999 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been on a fitness message board for several years now and throughout this time have met some nice people and so on.

  about 2 1/2 years ago, i had posted a picture of myself and my husband that was taken in brooklyn (of course during a bethel tour *vomits*) anyways, i got a private message from a fellow board member wanting to know what religion i was because she doesn't know that many people who get dressed up to merely walk around brooklyn.

  long story short, we find out we're both jw's.

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  So I took the advice from some here to just throw caution to the wind and be myself in my journal on another board where I'm friends with a JW from Canada.
  Well, I posted a picture of my LO in her Happy Halloween outfit- and she saw it and said "huh, I thought you don't celebrate Halloween?"

  So I posted this:

  This year has been a year of big changes for us-
  
  We used to not celebrate due to religious beliefs, but when we got pregnant and started analyzing our life, we realized that we didn't really "believe" anything, but were merely just doing what we were trained to do growing up. We analyzed whether or not we even wanted to go in the religious direction that we were trained to follow and if we wanted to train Gianna in that direction. It dawned on us that we really didn't want her to go in that direction. Actually, it's not that we dont want her to go in a religious direction, but more that we wanted her to feel like she could do anything she wanted to do and that we didn't want to limit her in any way. And since it's not the attitude that people in my religion have, we didn't feel like we could continue pursuing it since it is an "all or nothing" type religion.
  There's a lot more to the story, and the above doesn't even beging to explain it, but basically we weren't practicing what we were preaching- didn't really care to, and thought it would be fake of us to pass it along to our daughter merely because it's expected us to, only to find out my daughter may reject it in the future anyways, which would put us in a predicament of deciding whether or not to shun her and we thought we would just bypass all that drama and just make the decision to cut it off altogether and teach my daughter that she has the right to explore her own ideas/beliefs and shape her own future and make friends with those of all backgrounds.
  So if we're cutting off our religion, then no sense in not celebrating holidays and creating family traditions.
  
  and in all honesty- we have never been happier-

  I didn't want to get all into details like "the blood thing is BS" "generation" all that crap, but I'm anxious to see what her reaction is-

  I was just so excited to not have to "hide" anymore in this facet that I wanted to share it with everyone-
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  Are You Angry That You Didn't Get To Celebrate The Holidays?

  by minimus in

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  but now, holidays are important to me.

  i think birthdays and xmas are important ones to make sure that you give and get gifts.

  perhaps it's because i never experienced the "joy of the holidays".

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  I don't feel angry- My mom went out of her way to give us "family days" at least once a year and made a big deal about graduations, so we always got presents, so as a kid I never felt deprived or envious of the "worldly" kids.

  But, now that I have a child, I find it bizarre to NOT acknowledge someones birthday. Giving birth and bringing my daughter into the world was such an amazing moment and I can't fathom ever forgetting it. How can you not help but celebrate such an amazing event?
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  It's already starting...sigh

  by Dagney in

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  the reports:.

  "kingdom hall survived!

  "as far as we know no brothers and sisters lost their homes in the mountain areas.

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  what a sick thing for them to brag about-

  so we should be elated that even though so many people were affected and lost so much, at least the JW's were protected?

  That pisses me off like you wouldn't believe-
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  Giving Talks in the Ministry School

  by lovelylil in

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  anyone else here hate giving talks and refuse to do it?

  the last two years i was in the borg, i was not in the school.

  everytime the elder in charge of it approached me to "encourage" me to join again, i would have a melt down, cry and pretend i was so depressed and overwelmed that i just could not do that one thing for "jehovah", and i would act like i may commit suicide if he stresses me out over joining the school again.. i got out of it with 3 elders, in two different congregations.

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  I have to admit, I was such a talk snob.

  It drove me nuts when people up there did a sucky job. Like fake dramatic gasps and scenarios or "reasoning" that made no sense. I would actually sit there and have the most confused look on my face- then when the overseer would give them all sorts of commendation I'd be like "WTF?!- this person sucks!"

  I always felt bad because I should have been more loving, but instead I was judgemental. But man, some of those talks really sucked.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the WT Study (10/15 Teach Children)

  by WT Comments in

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  2. bible

  soliciting your comments as well!

  please take a moment to post a comment, even if brief.

  share your experience and keep the topic active.. .

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  ...will the children continue to love and serve God after they leave home?

  As a JW my inital reaction was to truly consider this question as true food for thought. I mean, who doesn't want their child to cultivate spirituality and a love for a greater cause? This would help them in their growth to become well rounded individuals! As a rational thinking person, I soon realized that this was not the idea conveyed to us by the WTBTS. This question is not intented to help us help our children to become intelligent, well rounded people. So upon reading this question again keeping in mind the WTS view, it actually said "Will your child continue to serve the organization and thus allow me (as a parent) to continue speaking with them, or will they leave and thus force me to make a decision to shun them?"

  When I realized THAT is what I was faced with in terms of raising my daughter in the "truth", I knew it was time for me to abandon this religion.