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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  Simonsays seems a bit distressed.

  I suppose the wt sycophant lurkers will soothe themselves by ratting this stuff out to "Mother".

  Oh, dear! What ever shall we do?Keep on keepin' on, that's what!
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  Someone please tell me there is a JW Survivor help line

  by WireRider in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  who can jw survivors call for help?

  experienced survivors?

  anyone?

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  When really distraught people have shown up here most times someone will pm them and offer a phone call. This has helped some really depressed people at least get pointed to good counseling (both peer and psychological) and has started good friendships.

  Very important to find a professional counselor who is familiar with religious cults and who sees that the watchtower is one. I can't count how many non jw people including some counselors who had no clue about this. (I sure enlightened them)

  Mrs. Flipper
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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  SANS - excellent. From an outsider's viewpoint (never was jw) the reason for the anonymity being necessary is what would get the media's attention. That this religion has captive members, and how many lost their families after they left.

  SHUNNING should be at the lead. It is the reason for SANS. (Captive members who don't believe - stay in just to keep their families and "friends"))

  The threat of shunning is what causes jws to obey the stupid blood policy.

  Threat of shunning is why jws allow the horrible pedophile protection coverups by not going to the police, and it's why abuse victims stay silent.

  And a very simple logo of a wall being broken through (OnTheWayOut once had an avatar like that here). Maybe a graphic of notched battlements at the top of the wall like on the JW watchtower if it could be similar but not enough to cause WT to sue.

  To avoid that maybe a watchtower in the style of the Nazi POW camps being cut through at the bottom.

  As few words as possible - so it can be read easily and quickly. Links to articles or court papers could be provided for the details.

  I wouldn't make any mysterious lead ups - I never take the time to open threads that don't have a clear title.

  As simple and clear as possible.

  Mrs. Flipper
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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

  lol .

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  This is an awesome idea. If enough participate, it may actually capture the media's attention - a mass protest of a corrupt cult.

  How much you wanna bet there will be some pre-emptive damage control as soon as the "holy spirit" tells the GB about this.

  "Even though this may not make sense from a human standpoint, Jehovah has lovingly directed us to be aware of Satan's takeover of the world's postal services and to disregard the false information being sent out. Take down your mailboxes and burn them. Carrier pigeons will be provided to all congregations. Better yet, you all just stop reading anything other than borg propaganda - more time to work for free for Jehovah."

  Mrs. Flipper
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  are there really 8 million jw's?

  by wannaexit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  last circuit assembly there was 700+ present and 1 baptized.. recently there was a foreign language assemble of over 500 and 1 baptized.. in the last 5-10 years i haven't been to one assembly where there has been more than a handful baptized.

  at the memorial all i see are the same old faces that have been coming since the flood.. the hall complex i attend has 6 congregation and several groups-there is negative growth.

  when you factor in the demographically aging folk and the many who have already passed away, i don't know where they get the 8 million.. i know that most of the growth is from the developing countries, but still i think they are fudging their numbers.

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  Being that the Watchtower organization is ethically and morally challenged - make that bankrupt - it's not like they are going to be truthful about their membership numbers.

  The Scientology cult, which is basically like the Watchtower on steroids and meth, has always claimed 8 to 10 million members. Top level defectors put the numbers at 25,000 or less and declining. Just google Scientology membership numbers.

  And consider how many of those are "captive" because of the shunning (just like jws).

  It's all pr - cults and multi level marketing tend to do this to rope in more members. It's advertising - "everybody's doing it!"

  Mrs. Flipper
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  My Mom Is Dying

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just wanted to say that my dear 89 year old mom is terminally ill and will soon pass.

  she is on morphine and hanging on.

  she has been a devout witness for about 60 years and a wonderful mother.

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  MINIMUS- Been out of town for 4 days so I just saw this. I'm terribly sorry to hear about your mom my friend. My mom is 88 years old in a care facility with partial dementia and I know how difficult it is to see our parents suffering . You've been a good son to your mom and like you say many of us consider our mom's one of our best friends for life. My mom is my hero. I'll be crushed when she passes on. Please know that my wife and I are thinking of you and we send our love . Sincerely, Mr. & Mrs. Flipper
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  My Opinions on whats going on in WT land - Insider Information

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  first off, i'd like to state that i currently have "privileges" in the congregation and volunteer at bethel on and off throughout the year.

  that's as much information as i will currently give about myself.. starting off, i think something big is coming in the form of lawsuits and bad pr.

  they seem to be batting down the hatches in preparation for something the last few years and even more so the last few months.

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  DEPRESSED SOUL- Thanks for supplying all this information- it's very telling.

  Questions for you- Do you think the WT Society is in bad enough shape that they'll have to file some form of bankruptcy in the next two years ? And if they declare bankruptcy wouldn't that just infuriate many of the JW's who have given personal loans to the WT Society because of course - these folks would not be able to get any returns on their money due to possible bankruptcies ?

  It's been my personal opinion for several years now since being out of the organization myself since 2003 - that we are dealing with a criminal organization at the top- an organization that is bilking millions of $$$$ from these congregations and causing individual JW's to "sit down, shut up - and eat the spiritual dishes fed to them " all the while deceiving JW's about where any of this money donated actually goes.

  I can't help but think of Jim Bakker from the 1980's and how he bilked millions out of his flock , got caught with his pants down literally ( although he with grown women, WT Society has a huge child abuse epidemic ) and he even served prison time as well. However I've noticed recently he re-formed some other church in which he's probably doing the same shit to the people there now.

  So do you think if some financial fall happened with the WT Society that they would re-form into some other group after paying the piper ( or the law ) and continue trying to fleece some other flock down the road ? It's all really intriguing to me and I think there are possibly several ways this thing might go- none of them good for anybody concerned - but I'm interested in your thoughts. Sorry for my length and I'll take your answers off the air. LOL
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  Brooklyn Layoffs and Halt to Kingdom Hall construction projects

  by James Jack in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a good source just just told me that at morning worship today that the governing body announced that a total of 1600 bethelites will be let get go and not transferred to warwich when the last property is sold in brooklyn and all kingdom hall building projects are on hold for at least a year so that all the focus will be on the preaching work.

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  They need to put the GB members & WT leaders in jail for crimes against humanity and fraud
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  This newly leaked letter PROVES the WTS are hypocrates and do not speak the truth.

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  after reading this newly leaked letter, something profoundly "hit" me.

  myself, being born a "witness", and most of us here, who have learned their teachings for years, know of the "importance" the gb/wts always placed on the watchtower and awake magazines, themselves.. from the magazines inception, from back in probably the 1920's, or somewhere that far back, the wts claimed that the preaching work, and specifically the distribution of these magazines, were a sign of the times, and a fulfilment of bible prophecy in these last days.

  they would compare the watchtower magazine to a "stinging scorpion", claiming those magazines fulfilled that verse in revelation.

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  DUNEDAIN- Great thread. Exactly, great points made. WT Society leaders have always bragged about how the work is " speeding up " as the end gets closer so indeed - WHY would they go to printing the WT magazine to every other month if the message is that urgent ? Bottom line : WT leaders don't believe their own bullshit. They know that they've been yanking our chain all along. It's been a massive deception right from the start going back to the days of C.T. Russell. And the deception is still going on strong 136 years later in 2015
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  Rumor Confirmed!: Bethel Downsize First Hand

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just texted a very good remote worker friend, said i heard that there is a reduction in force coming at bethel and i hoped he wouldn't be affected.

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  he said its true, its not a rumor.

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  As John Aquila said regarding WT leaders - " we do care about " kingdom interests and the end " Just not the way JW's think !!!! "

  Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. 1600 Bethelites get laid off for what reason ? Must be more child abuse lawsuits coming down the turnpike up ahead. Or other unexpected " hidden from the flock " expenses. WT Society is expecting to get the financial shaft blown up their rear ends so hey " we have to cut costs somewhere. " So the message is , " You 1,600 worker bees just go back to your hometowns and go out in service and even if you don't understand this decision of the GB from a " human " standpoint and it makes no sense whatsoever - please be assured of our warm Christian love in caring for Kingdom interests ! " Wink, wink . Peace out, Mr. Flipper