Posts by flipper

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I'm sick of...

by freemindfade in

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i'm sick of.... ...having an elder i barely know invite himself over to my house, and bring another asshole elder with him, you know, to "see how i'm doing" f-ck them.

...having same elder with all insincerity approach me at the beeting and before inviting himself over, ask, "how are you doing?

" then when i say everything is great, go ahead and invite them selves over anyway.

FREEMINDFADE- I understand your frustration bro. JW's are good at ( and so are elders ) at not honoring personal boundaries that we have. They feel entitled to know everything about us- which kind of T.P. we use , if we masturbate or not, how our marriages are doing ( especially if we don't attend meetings ) , I mean- it never stops. It's ridiculous how nosy they are.

It's really none of their business. One thing you might do is text these elders before they come over to your house and say, " I appreciate your concern, but I'm doing fine. " And hang up if it's on the phone or just ignore further inquiries. When I first stopped attending meetings back in 2003 and the elders kept trying to contact me, I told them on the phone, " I have nothing to talk about with you, it's all been said. " Then I hung up the phone on them. They only tried contacting me once or twice after that and I did the same thing. Then they finally stopped.

You need to NOT feel guilty about saying NO to them. They can't do anything to you if you give them no power over you. Or give them the silent treatment. They will give up in time. And you may want to let your wife know that you don't need to talk to the elders either so you get her on YOUR side - at least somewhat on your side so she'll respect your wishes to NOT talk with the elders. Then she'll be respecting your personal boundaries as well. Just a few things I can think of here. Take care friend, we'll talk soon

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Extreme emotions re today's watchtower

by Tornintwo in

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friends

i was supposed to attend the meeting today, one of my once a month duties for the sake of my family and my fade.

i read the wt and i just can't stomach going.... what this wt does is again and again reiterate that only jws will survive the coming destruction and that they should be happy about this and raise ourselves erect...eg:.

we cannot expect that many people will suddenly convert to true christianity.

flipper

Holy shit - these people are scary.

I've never been a jw, stopped going to Catholic church at 11 years old (when mom got tired of fighting about it.) Not religious at all but know enough to "do the right thing". I had thought the Catholics were hypocrites until I learned about the jws.

When I first read this I thought it was a parody.

When I first started learning about the whole watchtower trip I asked Flipper why they call themselves Christian because any Christians I've known, including Catholics, seem to have a main goal of helping others and being kind. The witnesses are downright harsh and mean.

I decided that for the watchtower, Christianity is just a marketing tool to suck in the public.

They are so f****d up and selfish. They will throw their friends and families under the bus so they can cheat death and live forever. Then look down their noses at the "worldlies".

Yes this is nauseating.

Mrs. Flipper

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Extreme emotions re today's watchtower

by Tornintwo in

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friends

i was supposed to attend the meeting today, one of my once a month duties for the sake of my family and my fade.

i read the wt and i just can't stomach going.... what this wt does is again and again reiterate that only jws will survive the coming destruction and that they should be happy about this and raise ourselves erect...eg:.

we cannot expect that many people will suddenly convert to true christianity.

flipper

The quote, " They ( the clergy ) stand in stark contrast with the clean , virgin like anointed ones of God. " Uh-huh. Yeah right. You mean the " virgin like " anointed ones named Geoff Jackson, Anthony Morris 3, and Stephen Lett and other GB members who poo-poo the idea that THEY the GB are covering over the horrific sexual child molestation by pedophiles within their " earthy sanctuary "?

Jackasses. At least the Catholic pope apologized to Catholic child abuse victims ! WT leaders have NO ethics, they have NO morals - they run a criminal organization bent on protecting child molesters, murderers, financial scammers, while turning family members against one another destroying families along the way as casualties causing psychological stress and destruction thus producing suicides. " Clean, virgin like " anointed ones ? I don't think so. Let's be real here

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Sexual assault I believe by a JW member Santa Ana Calif

by James Mixon in

the news this morning, santa ana man arrested for molesting three young girls.. he used his 6 year old daughter to arrange play dates with the other girls.. they showed the kh and stated he was a member of the church.

unable.

to find any other info on the case, not sure if he was a jw.. his name jesus agullary, not sure if that's the correct spelling..

flipper

It's just disgusting- this has to stop. But it won't. The WT Society will continue making excuses for JW pedophiles and child molesters. If I lived in the Santa Ana area I'd make some billboards up and picket downtown Santa Ana with a sign that reads " Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Child Molesters " and hand out news releases

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Music buffs.Here we go again. List you're all-time favorite Guitarists

by flipper in

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friends

hello ya'll.

was just listening to great guitar music from some of my favorites.

who are your all time favorites?

flipper

CANTLEAVE- You are very much welcome ! I think Gilmour is probably more like # 4 on my list now right behind Page, Hendrix, and Vaughan.

MAKSUTOV- Wow ! Very nice guitar work my friend. Excellent ! Thanks for sharing ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Music buffs.Here we go again. List you're all-time favorite Guitarists

by flipper in

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friends

hello ya'll.

was just listening to great guitar music from some of my favorites.

who are your all time favorites?

flipper

We'll let this guys guitar speak for himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f29CiOKqWh0

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Reflecting on my Disfellowshipping

by kairos in

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friends

today is the day.. i was baptized as one of jehovah's witnesses on march 25th 1989.disfellowshipped for admitted apostasy today, september 10th 2015.. what an amazing story we all share.

how did we get involved with this group and think this was the best way of life?.

i asked my wife to stay home from the meeting tonight and spend the evening with me.she is.... we celebrated our 19th wedding anniversary this past monday.. i must admit, i never saw any of this coming, but it couldn't have come sooner.i'm free of all the fake friendships.

flipper

Congratulations Kairos. You have a really great wife to support you in this. You are very fortunate indeed. Welcome to freedom of mind and enjoy the first day of the rest of your life. We all love and respect you here my friend for who you are - remember that unconditional friends are hard to come by in the organization that had us enslaved. You exiting the cult is THEIR loss, YOUR gain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bbgNn4TWPU

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New light from GB member David Splane!

by Island Man in

in the latest jw broadcast splane is quoted as saying:.

"suppose there was a man who died 10 minutes before joseph was born.

would he be part of joseph's generation?

flipper

According to the " worldly " dictionary ( you know that REAL book of definitions ) generation means : " 3. a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father and son are two generations ) 4. the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next. "

So this is the REAL definition- no matter WHAT the GB or WT leaders say. They're so full of it they need a spiritual lobotomy

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TV.JW.ORG (September 2015) - Generation explained again

by Designer Stubble in

guess the overlapping generation concept is difficult for most to comprehend.

david spane does his best to explain it again.

the cutoff date for this generation has now moved to 1992 (was once 1935), the year that fred franz died.

flipper

Bottom line is the WT Society redefines definitions of words into some fantasy made up definitions to suit their own doctrines.

REAL definition of the word " generation " in the Webster's New World College Dictionary : " generation - 3. a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father and son are two generations ) 4. the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next . "

So - Not too difficult to understand.

WT Society's definition is : generation about 70 years 1914 - 1984 .

The REAL world's definition is : generation is 30 years.

So in reality from 1914 to 2015 it has actually been 3 generations plus 11 years.

If you count from 1879 to 2015 ( when Russell first made these asinine predictions ) it has in the real world been exactly 4 generations plus 16 years.

I swear I'm getting tempted real soon to start a thread on WT Society fake definitions of words compared to REAL definitions of words. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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A poll of sorts: How long have you been a "fader" for?

by SecretSlaveClass in

i'm curious about the following:.

1) how long have you been a fader for?.

2) how often do you still get pressure from congregation members and/or family to return as an active witness?.

flipper

1. Been out in an inactive state for 12 years.

2. Was pressured the first few years by my adult JW daughters , but I don't receive too much pressure if ever now. One of my daughters wrote me a " pressuring ' letter in early summer of 2015 - but that's because she's having a baby.

3. I know several people on the board here who have faded out of sight for about 20 years- but to never receive any pressure to " go back " to the WT organization- you'd have to move to the Arctic, a remote island, or the moon.

4. I don't fear getting DFed anymore- because I refuse to talk to any elders. The elders already tried to DF me in 2007 ( 4 years after I faded ) on trumped up false charges- I stood up to them and threatened them with a lawsuit if they DFed me. WT legal told them to back down and they overturned my DFing and I won my appeal of my DFing. They don't like dealing with people who stand up to them.

5. Some of my extended JW family ( my mom & dad & brother ) still keep contact with me, but some of my JW family treats me like I'm DFed even though I faded. So it's a mixed bag depending on how fanatic the JW is I'm dealing with.

6. I've faded due to the fact I want to keep a relationship with my older mom whom I am really close with. AND the hope that I will have an opportunity to assist my adult JW daughters to see TTATT. And I also faded so as to hopefully not be cut out of the family inheritance or will.

7. ZERO meetings or assemblies for 12 years now. Proud of it.

8. Yes, I feel the organization is completely powerless over my life- however- that doesn't mean that I can throw caution to the wind in dealing with my older JW elder dad, brother, or my JW mom. I'll still be respectful , yet require they show me respect in return.

Here's the deal- sure I could disassociate if I wanted to- but to me then it shows I acknowledge the WT Society's rules of engagement - and I do NOT acknowledge their rules of engagement. I play by my own rules. IT's a control thing for me. I feel that over the long haul I can do more good for my still in JW family by continuing as a faded ex-JW who might be able to share TTATT with my adult daughters, perhaps even a older JW sibling or two as time goes by. Plus there is the " inheritance " factor. So for me anyway in my situation it makes more sense to stay inactive. For other people it may be right to get DFed or to DA themselves- but everybody's circumstances are different- these are just my personal circumstances. Hope that helped your survey