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  Anybody here still believe in the bible?

  by Mel Morris in

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  i'm a current bible student of jw's looking to chat with someone about biblical doctrine.

  i'm not interested in talking with an apostate or a fader, i'm just a person looking for answers and wondered if there are any neutral voices in this forum who have good insights into the bible.

  i currently talk with a couple of jw's on a personal level from my congregation and they are knowledgeable to a certain extent, but i dare not ask them certain questions because, as you know, the congregation has a culture of fear that impacts trust and openness, especially concerning biblical doctrine or the societies teachings.

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  Ttings aren't that cut and dry, i'm actually called "The Borean" in my congregation because I dabble a bit in ancient Hebrew, and I own a strong's concordance and various extra-biblical/historical resources.

  You say you aren’t wise enough to make it on your own without religion? Our discovery is that it is less desirable to follow blind men than to fall down on our own.

  l reposted your comments. You clearly did not respond to mine. You may not care to. But my own earnest concern for truth and honesty took me away from religion which ultimately is pleased to see followers seem to read scripture as long as they do not think “independently “.

  So you effectively are to follow men but do not try to follow Jesus.
  
  
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  Why Punk of Nice as a name?

  by punkofnice in

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  there.

  my secret is out..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dmkui8tphg.

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  Nice, Punky. Makes sense to me.
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  What you reckon? (I'm talking in my normal accent)

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there was this really lovely old geezer in a congregation i was in here in the uk.. he was an old bloke and very frit of giving talks and that.

  when he was on the platform he'd be bleedin' scared...like an elephant near a bloody mouse.. so, 'ere's my question, right?

  blimey.

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  It’s hard to say for him, punky. He may Be was glad. He is the only one could say—if he would say truly.

  I knew a young fellow who fainted when he gave one of his first talks. Those who saw it said his sentences begin to slide around and he lost color and went down like a cut tree. They did the Watchtower study so he could recover. Then he finished the talk.

  He is still in.
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  Anybody here still believe in the bible?

  by Mel Morris in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm a current bible student of jw's looking to chat with someone about biblical doctrine.

  i'm not interested in talking with an apostate or a fader, i'm just a person looking for answers and wondered if there are any neutral voices in this forum who have good insights into the bible.

  i currently talk with a couple of jw's on a personal level from my congregation and they are knowledgeable to a certain extent, but i dare not ask them certain questions because, as you know, the congregation has a culture of fear that impacts trust and openness, especially concerning biblical doctrine or the societies teachings.

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  humbled

  You will be faced with either believing the Bible or else believing the Governing Body.

  The culture of fear you face is because “Perfect love casts out fear” and the WT is all about conditional love. The fear you see is that any time someone remarks “ this isn’t what the Bible says” the elders will mark you as a trouble maker instead of a serious Christian.

  For instance if you were to point this out:

  The policy for the Anointed ones was changed in recent times. The Revelation 14 verses that identify these individuals says they follow the Lamb wherever He goes. But they are obliged to follow the Governing Body wherever IT goes. Isn’t this a contradiction?

  Conflict. You will find many such problems in the doctrine of this religion.

  You will have no freedom of worship in the WT religion. This is aside from what l personally believe at this moment.

  Ask your questions now if you plan to join. You will not be free to question later without paying the price many of us paid: disfellowshipped and shunned.

  But we are free to believe or not- honestly.
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  This Article Won't Change Your Mind - Great Read

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  this article won’t change your mind - the facts on why facts alone can’t fight false beliefs.

  brilliant article in the atlantic by julie beck discussing the phenomena of cognitive dissonance and how it affects religious and political beliefs.

  it includes some interesting thoughts on how social media has magnified the problem.. spoiler - she is not optimistic about the possibility of successfully reasoning with members of religious cults.. the article also has a link to the 45 minute audio version.. link....

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  groups are usually better at coming up with the correct answers to reasoning tasks than individuals are.
  Of course, the wisdom of groups is probably diminished if everyone in a group already agrees with each other.
  “One real advantage of group reasoning is that you get critical feedback,” McIntyre says. “If you’re in a silo, you don’t get critical feedback, you just get applause.”

  This can happen in religion or in any community—If there is a group leader who dominates. As was said“If you’re in a silo, you don’t get critical feedback, you just get applause.”

  Great article.
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  Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

  by pale.emperor in

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  i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

  lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

  all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

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  Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also.—John 15:20

  • Lead by example
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  A Walk in the Moonlight

  by compound complex in

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  a walk in the moonlight will do me good.

  i shall understand inner turmoil in a new light, that proffered by the softly suffused illumination della bella luna.

  the black shadow of the walking dead, cast upon a meandering path by the gracious moon, will be my companion.. treading my way slowly, reverentially, to the frosty view above that patiently awaits me, i stop dead at land's end.

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  https://youtu.be/LlvUepMa31o

  The moon is a lovely companion even if she doesn’t speak, hey, Coco?

  And a tree house is another world. That a great thing to do for your kids, Perry.
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  tommy Robinson --update

  by zeb in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8b_xqi_nm.

  this is self explanatory.

  please if you are in a commonwealth country write /phone /fax your local member to support tr release from his current place of imprisonment.. you may not receive any reply but do so anyway.

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  humbled

  http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/mar/29/florida-immigrant-coalition/do-undocumented-immigrants-have-constitutional-rig/

  Non-citizens DO have some constitutional rights but not all the rights of citizens.
  
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  Recovered by Nature

  by compound complex in

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  That looks like wild plum taking over. I wonder what the story is on the old place.
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  Christopher Hitchens at the "Festival of Dangerous Ideas"

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hitchens has some provocative thoughts about where much of today's monotheist beliefs originated which came out of inarguable human ignorance and how potentially dangerous and redundant they are in this modren day.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwihkm126bk.

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  Hitchens drank and smoked and did other things Christians might call sinful. But the remarks he makes in the above interview at 1:39 -1:42 are fairly said.

  He makes the case for honesty in a person’s not believing in God. The penalties imposed by religion for a person who cannot find belief should make religious people ashamed.