Christopher Hitchens at the "Festival of Dangerous Ideas"

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  • Finkelstein

    Hitchens has some provocative thoughts about where much of today's monotheist beliefs originated which came out of inarguable human ignorance and how potentially dangerous and redundant they are in this modren day.

  • humbled

    Just passed the one hour mark, listening while l make spoons.

    A fearsomely crisp thinker. Logic runs like a train on its track. He will not turn aside to accommodate any sensibilities that step in his way.

    My son who was baptized at age 20 (in for a brief stint) told me later that he had a great desire to listen to Hitchens but also dreaded what effect Hitchens might have on him. His siblings saddened by his yielding to the religion often pressed him to listen.

    Hitchens is doing well to debunk our god myths but he cannot nor does he try to promote a better way for us to conduct our selves in these fleeting moments of life...

    well - perhaps he does in saying that do onto others as you would have them do to you—is a universal teaching that is well to follow.

    I recommend a listen.

    Thanks Finkelstein.

  • humbled

    You can’t go wrong listening to Hitchens.

    One hour and 45 minutes.

    We spent more time at a Sunday meeting.

    His observations on religion and god and morality are good thinking and witty.

  • Perry
    Hitchens has some provocative thoughts about where much of today's monotheist beliefs originated which came out of inarguable human ignorance

    And Hitchens was able to acheive a life of human ignorance all on his own as a drunk and chain smoker.

    His wife said he was “obviously an alcoholic”.

    "Accounts of his drinking, usually in the form of all day lunches, where one wine bottle followed the next, are the stuff of legend among his fellow writers. They invariably describe themselves as being unable to keep up with Hitch"

  • Finkelstein

    Are you trying to attack his character or the information he presented ?

    Please read Perry .......

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    Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.[2] The terms ad mulierem[3] and ad feminam[4] have been used when the person receiving the criticism is a woman.

  • Finkelstein

    Who adheres more to intellectual honesty when discussing religion, Hitchens or "any" religionist ?

  • humbled

    Hitchens drank and smoked and did other things Christians might call sinful. But the remarks he makes in the above interview at 1:39 -1:42 are fairly said.

    He makes the case for honesty in a person’s not believing in God. The penalties imposed by religion for a person who cannot find belief should make religious people ashamed.

  • resolute Bandicoot
    resolute Bandicoot

    I like that "hierarchy of disagreement" Finky, says a lot about the mentally diseased appostate tag.

  • Perry

    I think Christopher Hitchens has a number of "Dangerous Ideas" .

  • cofty

    Perry, Hitch made so much more sense with a drink than you ever have sober.

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